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I didn't get growth on ainterol either-- I always believed that it is what our bodies need verses what works for other people, don't you think? Some people might get great growth on PM who are sensitive to estrogen changes or might lack E-- so by adding more E their body changes-- where as others might be lacking something else. I think the key is listening to our bodies and seeing what it needs to nourish it.

IE. one flower may need sunlight, another may need water in order to grow Smile

How goes your growth Lotus? I wanna see some Lotus update piccies!!!!!!!!!
(14-03-2016, 08:30 PM)missboobshirt Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't get growth on ainterol either-- I always believed that it is what our bodies need verses what works for other people, don't you think?. Some people might get great growth on PM who are sensitive to estrogen changes or might lack E-- so by adding more E their body changes-- where as others might be lacking something else. I think the key is listening to our bodies and seeing what it needs to nourish it.

Agreed, (great point),

...... if you have elevated levels of E to begin with, you'll be compounding the issue, hormones should be in balance (normal limits) for optimal changes.


(14-03-2016, 08:30 PM)missboobshirt Wrote: [ -> ]How goes your growth Lotus? I wanna see some Lotus update piccies!!!!!!!!!

Lol ok, maybe an inch (or close to it) in the last 5-6 months, I'll post an update early next month after my 3 month check-up (labs too). Smile

Thanks missB, always love to hear from yah. Tongue
(14-03-2016, 01:48 PM)elainecd Wrote: [ -> ]My God Lotus, the information you come up with never ceases to amaze me.

Well Wink have I got something new to tell you about, lmao. Big Grin .......maybe not new becuse we've discussed this a few times already, do you remember " Second Messengers? ".

To me, second messengers are an aromatase for cell biosynthesis. In other words, first messengers are about cell diffusion, while second messengers boost the intercellular action for DNA syntheses (or cell reaction).

Forskolin is supplement example of a second messenger. Calcium is a second messenger too, and underestimated for NBE. Btw, boosting vitamin D and calcium upregulates ovarian aromatase.

Second messengers are intracellular signaling molecules released by the cell to trigger physiological changes such as proliferation, differentiation, migration, survival, and apoptosis. Secondary messengers are therefore one of the initiating components of intracellular signal transduction cascades. Examples of second messenger molecules include cyclic AMP, cyclic GMP, inositol trisphosphate, diacylglycerol, and calcium. The cell releases second messenger molecules in response to exposure to extracellular signaling molecules—the first messengers. First messengers are extracellular factors, often hormones or neurotransmitters, such as epinephrine, growth hormone, and serotonin. Because peptide hormones and neurotransmitters typically are biochemically hydrophilic molecules, these first messengers may not physically cross the phospholipid bilayer cell membrane to initiate changes within the cell directly—unlike steroid hormones, which usually do. This functional limitation necessitates the cell to devise signal transduction mechanisms to transduce first messenger into second messengers, so that the extracellular signal may be propagated intracellularly. An important feature of the second messenger signaling system is that second messengers may be coupled downstream to multi-cyclic kinase cascades to greatly amplify the strength of the original first messenger signal.[1][2] For example, Ras.GTP signals link with the Mitogen Activated Protein Kinase (MAPK) cascade to amplify the allosteric activation of proliferative transcription factors such as Myc and CREB. (Wiki) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_messenger_system

Interesting in that calcium supplementation is suggested when taking PM, I wonder if they new that calcium improves cell biosynthesis, or was it from PM lowering the parathyroid?, hmmmm.

Anyways, The daily recommended is 1000 mg to 1200 mg, although topping out at 2500 mg, certain restrictions (interactions) need to be observed though, (check with your doctor) e.g calcium channel blockers. Carbs increase the absorption of calcium while coffee decreases it (MF'er) Angry

Here is some excellent info on second messengers:

Second Messenger
http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultrane...ml#IP3_DAG

Bottom line, here's one example of thinking inside the box (the cell) lol makes sense. Meaning looking at cell diffusion and how boosting the calcium signal (via calcium ion channels) improves the DNA synthesis of NBE/Hrt, just my opinion on that part though. BlushRolleyes

Calcium
http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/calcium
If you've ever heard of a process called immunostimulating (inducing activity or activation) I have another crazy idea about reducing DHT (low cost lol).

It's water........yup, by increasing water uptake it's speeds the urinary elimination of DHT. My thinking though is all about timing, e.g. Drink 2 cups min. of water before taking NBE/Hrt (after urinary excretion.....pee). Btw, science explains this process in the testes.


Any thoughts?.
(15-03-2016, 01:16 AM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]If you've ever heard of a process called immunostimulating (inducing activity or activation) I have another crazy idea about reducing DHT (low cost lol).

It's water........yup, by increasing water uptake it's speeds the urinary elimination of DHT. My thinking though is all about timing, e.g. Drink 2 cups min. of water before taking NBE/Hrt (after urinary excretion.....pee). Btw, science explains this process in the testes.


Any thoughts?.

To carry this further, I think diuretics are a good example of this scenario, e.g. spiro (short for spirolactone) which makes you pee a lot.......aka-a diuretic. And as we know, spiro partially blocks androgens, though I also believe it promotes CYP19 (aromatase). So, what's a cheap DIY diuretic????...........water. Big Grin
(15-03-2016, 05:24 AM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]
(15-03-2016, 01:16 AM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]If you've ever heard of a process called immunostimulating (inducing activity or activation) I have another crazy idea about reducing DHT (low cost lol).

It's water........yup, by increasing water uptake it's speeds the urinary elimination of DHT. My thinking though is all about timing, e.g. Drink 2 cups min. of water before taking NBE/Hrt (after urinary excretion.....pee). Btw, science explains this process in the testes.


Any thoughts?.

To carry this further, I think diuretics are a good example of this scenario, e.g. spiro (short for spirolactone) which makes you pee a lot.......aka-a diuretic. And as we know, spiro partially blocks androgens, though I also believe it promotes CYP19 (aromatase). So, what's a cheap DIY diuretic????...........water. Big Grin
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Interesting Lotus. Thanks
Aloha Pom, ‘A‘ole pilikia

Big Grin
(15-03-2016, 06:27 AM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]Aloha Pom, ‘A‘ole pilikia

Big Grin
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Mahalo-Smile
Yeah for water--the magic boobie juice. It would make sense to help decrease the amount of toxins.
(16-03-2016, 12:03 AM)eloise614 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah for water--the magic boobie juice. It would make sense to help decrease the amount of toxins.

Exactly, Wink we can't stop all DHT from synthesis, but..........we can certainly help that MF along by speeding up a cascade of water marching through the testes, where 95% of T is produced and thereby flushing those buggers out of the system.

It's like a two-fer, RolleyesBig Grin (meaning, you get all the benefits of drinking water and an extra bonus of kicking DHT to the curb).
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