Hey Lotus,
I was wondering if you know anything about progestogen. I am thinking that coming off of progestogen may be aiding my breast growth and was wondering if you know of any research to support this theory.
Could the progestogen have simulated progesterone dominance while the implant was working, and then when it ran out, my hormones would have been balanced again causing a growth spurt?
It's just a theory I have.
(22-04-2016, 03:23 PM)Katana Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Lotus,
I was wondering if you know anything about progestogen. I am thinking that coming off of progestogen may be aiding my breast growth and was wondering if you know of any research to support this theory.
Could the progestogen have simulated progesterone dominance while the implant was working, and then when it ran out, my hormones would have been balanced again causing a growth spurt?
It's just a theory I have.
Hi there Kit Kat
That's a god question, based on the research I've read (and posted) is that when progesterone is in combination with estrogen (present with other) they act synergistically with each other, meaning breast growth, (amongst a few other things).
Without some previous (history) labs its difficult to say for sure. But generally, progesterone improves receptor sensitivity. Balancing hormones for optimum growth is no easy task, after a while of doing this (NBE) you get the feel what certain herbs can or can't do, call it the NBE learning curve lol.
But, me thinks you could've have had a spike in E, (from progesterone being lowered). Let me just say I admire the dedication you've put in to solve your IGT. Here's my opinion bout that, fwiw, when we say incomplete growth tissue, it tells me a few things (genes being one of them of course), but more specifically, dormant ER-a receptors (Estrogen Receptor Alpha) . The simple solution is to stimulate that receptor, I posted some research about it, if interested I'll dig it up.
- Prolactin and progesterone may enhance ductal outgrowth by inducing ERα expression.
- Activation of ER-α causes elongation or horizontal growth of mammary duct cells. Progesterone receptor activation causes side-branching of mammary gland cells. Density, areolar gland development, and gland lactation development are caused by prolactin receptor activation.
Check pages 5 thru 9
Hormone Action in the Mammary Gland
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2982168/
The Progesterone Thread
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=21243&highlight=Progesterone
After reading through the first page of that thread, I think I must have had very low progesterone up until my implant ran out as the progestogen would have lowered my blood levels of progesterone.
So I think my body is responding to a rise in progesterone now the progestogen is gone. Could this account for the rapid growth I've seen in the last two months? Or am I misunderstanding things? (I never know whether I've made the correct conclusions)
(22-04-2016, 11:17 PM)Katana Wrote: [ -> ] (22-04-2016, 10:58 PM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ] (22-04-2016, 03:23 PM)Katana Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Lotus,
I was wondering if you know anything about progestogen. I am thinking that coming off of progestogen may be aiding my breast growth and was wondering if you know of any research to support this theory.
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Could the progestogen have simulated progesterone dominance while the implant was working, and then when it ran out, my hormones would have been balanced again causing a growth spurt?
It's just a theory I have.
Hi there Kit Kat
That's a god question, based on the research I've read (and posted) is that when progesterone is in combination with estrogen (present with other) they act synergistically with each other, meaning breast growth, (amongst a few other things).
Without some previous (history) labs its difficult to say for sure. But generally, progesterone improves receptor sensitivity. Balancing hormones for optimum growth is no easy task, after a while of doing this (NBE) you get the feel what certain herbs can or can't do, call it the NBE learning curve lol.
But, me thinks you could've have had a spike in E, (from progesterone being lowered). Let me just say I admire the dedication you've put in to solve your IGT. Here's my opinion bout that, fwiw, when we say incomplete growth tissue, it tells me a few things (genes being one of them of course), but more specifically, dormant ER-a receptors (Estrogen Receptor Alpha) . The simple solution is to stimulate that receptor, I posted some research about it, if interested I'll dig it up.
- Prolactin and progesterone may enhance ductal outgrowth by inducing ERα expression.
- Activation of ER-α causes elongation or horizontal growth of mammary duct cells. Progesterone receptor activation causes side-branching of mammary gland cells. Density, areolar gland development, and gland lactation development are caused by prolactin receptor activation.
Check pages 5 thru 9
Hormone Action in the Mammary Gland
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2982168/
The Progesterone Thread
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=21243&highlight=Progesterone
After reading through the first page of that thread, I think I must have had very low progesterone up until my implant ran out as the progestogen would have lowered my blood levels of progesterone.
So I think my body is responding to a rise in progesterone now the progestogen is gone. Could this account for the rapid growth I've seen in the last two months? Or am I misunderstanding things? (I never know whether I've made the correct conclusions)
(22-04-2016, 11:17 PM)Katana Wrote: [ -> ]Could the progestogen have simulated progesterone dominance
Progestogens are not accepted by progesterone receptors. It could be a result of sodium from progestin (from the pill). $$ see the highlights. (A possible alternative).
There are many differences between progesterone and the various progestogens, but unfortunately, there are still some doctors who do not realize this.
Progesterone lowers the blood pressure, while progestogens raise it; and while progesterone raises the SHBG level, progestogens lower it (see pages 22, 24). Progestogens are not accepted by progesterone receptors.
Progesterone can relieve water and sodium retention, whereas some progestogens used in the Pill, such as norethisterone, cause retention of water and sodium.
Progesterone is converted by the adrenals into all the various corticosteroids, which is not possible with progestogens. One function of progesterone is to maintain a pregnancy, but the progestogens cannot be used for this purpose. Some progestogens have an estrogenic effect as well, which is useful in the contraceptive field. The disposal of progestogens from the body differs from that of natural progesterone, which is excreted in the urine and feces as pregnanediol.
Progestogens also lower the blood level of progesterone (see Figure 19), and this explains why women with PMS so often have difficulty in tolerating the Pill (see pages 152-154), whether the estrogen-progestogen pill or the progestogen-only pill, and also other estrogen/progestogen
Thanks for the info Lotus
I think I'm too tired to comprehend everything i've read today, it's gone midnight here lol. Am I correct in saying we can't know for sure whether stopping progestogen based BC has led to the rapid growth I've experienced, but it probably has contributed to a hormonal change which may have helped?
You've been really helpful and I hope I haven't hijacked your thread too much
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(23-04-2016, 03:41 PM)missboobshirt Wrote: [ -> ]It may have been blocking some estrogen receptors. I am just now learning about this!
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=24497&pid=178543#pid178543
You can desensitize receptors by a few actions, hormones (proper nutrition) need to be stabilized to re-sensitize.
Squeezed a few drops out (the substance is pure white though)
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(24-04-2016, 07:50 PM)ellacraig Wrote: [ -> ] (24-04-2016, 07:31 PM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ] (23-04-2016, 03:41 PM)missboobshirt Wrote: [ -> ]It may have been blocking some estrogen receptors. I am just now learning about this!
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=24497&pid=178543#pid178543
You can desensitize receptors by a few actions, hormones (proper nutrition) need to be stabilized to re-sensitize.
Squeezed a few drops out (the substance is pure white though)
pre milk
I see. I know there's a supply of it, but......I was actually attempting to touch the nipples together (for some odd reason lol), which they did (almost in the second pic I posted lol).