Breast Growth For Genetic Males

(10-08-2014, 01:05 AM)RobinMurphy Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks Eva I could not stand whybreasts any more I think that was just a cry for help. I look a lot like you old photos and you make me so want to try and do what you did. How did you lose all of that weight?. As soon as I get back from SCC I plan on going to a gender therpist, and I found a good one two hours away. Robin

Thanks Robin I can honestly tell you it hasnt been long for me and I NEVER thought Id inspire anyone here This is kinda long, just an excerpt from a LONG autobiography/diary Ive been working on... I plan on handing it to a shrink soon and we will hopefully save a lot of time and money getting the letter the surgeon will need... Thats still way out there though and my next step is to start with hair transplants.... I need to have my hair restored before Id ever do SRS.... Its not easy to do this at my age and you sound older too... But your here and if your not ready yet it sounds like that day is coming and when it does there will be no stopping you.... Good Luck

What for so long was just an impossible dream just kind of had to happen.... I could have kept on killing myself slowly with the Booze and depression... But more and more the Idea of a 230 grain .45 hollow point ending it all in an instant occupied my mind.... It was a DARK depressing place to be....

I remember sitting there fat, bald, hairy and bearded, filthy, sick, and drunk out of my mind in a bad dress and wig... There was a bottle of whiskey in one hand and in the other was a loaded Glock .45.... I was crying taking turns putting them in my mouth knowing I couldnt live much longer this way... One was killing slowly and the other would just be so easy... That was about a year and a half ago at this writing and it was the day I made a decision that saved my life....

I was finally DONE fighting HER and I just had a total breakdown for a couple of weeks... Id just sit and cry and I pretty much just came out to myself and forgave myself and just finally accepted me as me and let go of all the hurt and guilt and shame... It was incredibly powerful and liberating to reflect on everything and just know that from now on I would just love and accept myself and begin to live life as the REAL me....

Of course I knew it wasnt going to be easy and in fact it seemed utterly impossible, like Id waited too long... Id NEVER be anywhere near pretty much less convincing as a woman.... Then again after weighing the alternative I was determined to give it my best try.... I resolved to go for it with everything I had... On the plus side I WAS all alone far from family with a huge pile of cash, nobody here knew me at all.... I knew at that moment this would NEVER stop this time and I was going all the way...

So I got busy.... I started eating better and got off my ass and started getting the things done around here Id been neglecting.... Soon I started feeling a lot better physically... I shaved my face for the first time in 10 years and ordered some pretty things online... I saw the possibilities and an AMAZING thing happened.... Without really even trying while I didnt quit the drinking I greatly cut it back... The first 20 lbs went quick and I just felt better than I could remember feeling in decades...

Id would read everything I could find on my condition and it was becoming clearer and clearer I just had too much in common with all these very similar stories.... I knew this would never go away on its own and there is only one cure for it.... I resolved to just do the best I could and try to love and accept me as me no matter where Im at in this journey... I began to see things really arent as bad as Id made them out to be... After reading so many tragic stories of the lives of TS women and all the things they overcame I actually began to feel fortunate... While I was starting at 44 years old with severe baldness at least Im not married and I dont have kids... While I now know without a doubt had I started this very young I would have become an absolutely beautiful woman I cant really have too many regrets I guess.... Im not sure Id be in this financial position had I transitioned at that time... Things were much different in the world then than they are now.....

I started out going three months on Peuraria Mirifica, licorice, spearmint and chinese skullcap capsules... I was very skeptical it was just a scam but after a month or so things started happening... I found it easier and easier to stop the drinking and eat less... I had an amazing amount of energy and the weight loss really was remarkable... So I decided to go to a local TG support group and I met a girl there in transition and got her doctors and laser docs contact info... Id been lurking here for a while and I already had hormones on the way when I went to the doc for my first labs and got a prescription...

By this time Id had a GF that was a huge help with putting it all together, hair clothes and make up, manners ect... I started laser treatment and I knew I could never go back now and I wouldnt want to EVER... I wanted more and more to come out to family.... I had the letter written for a while before it went out... Just one day and one step at a time and I try to love and accept me as me no matter what...
Two steps forward, one step back and just enjoy the ride and roll with the changes

All of you here are beautiful and I hope you all have continued success and find peace and happiness

Gotta go get ready for another electro session

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PdU6migsqQ

Eva thank you for the long reply it means a lot to me. In the last couple of weeks I had a lot of emotions about all of this, and I think that it started because I started to get jealous of the forum members that have started HRT and moving on to transitioning. Eva your one of the members, and when I saw your pictures the other day I thought that I have to at least have to try. I do not think that I could bottle this up again, and as much as love firearms I have never wanted to use one against myself and I don't want it to ever get to that point. I plan on seeing a therapist this week or next. Eva I have always loved your firearm references such as measuring you PM in a power scale. Eva I'm jealous of you figure and that you can likely target shoot on you land. Thanks for all you advise. Robin.

Good Luck Robin whatever road you decide to take

Well apparently I was wrong and I just got a call from my new nurse who will do the weekly injections at no charge

The prescription is 10mg Estradoil Cypionate IM injection once weekly.... Thats the max dosage according to the endrocrine society guidelines, page 21...

https://www.endocrine.org/~/media/endoso...ersons.pdf

Ive also seen conflicting info that says 10mg every two weeks

And everything Ive read says Estradoil Cypionate gives a lower peak level and takes longer to metabolizes VS Estradoil Valerate.... 4 days to peak level and 11 days to metabolize for Estradoil Cypionate VS 2 days to peak level and 7-8 days to metabolize...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7389356

That dont make sense to me that they would recommend 20mg max EV every TWO weeks with a faster metabolization rate than EC 10mg every week... EV at 7-8 days would seem ideal for a weekly injection and EC more suited for a biweekly injection at 11 days and a more stable E level peak to trough

I can find a lot of info on EV dosage for biweekly MTF HRT.... 10-20mg.... Hardly anything on EC at 2-10mg weekly but it appears EC is a more potent form of depo injected E from the little I could find on it....

Sounds like Im in for a hell of a ride... Everything Ive read says E2 vs E1 levels are the same as a bio female and much higher levels are attained with injections... We'll find out Friday morning

I guess if levels are way too high I can always at least tell the doc I told you so... I asked for 10mg weekly EV after all... From what Ive read THAT should put E levels at near 2000pg/ml... Who knows where the EC will be but it will be high Im sure...

Im gonna have a baseline test to see where Im at now before we start injections.... Im interested to see how that comes out

I also have scripts for spiro 100mg 3 times daily, Avodart .50 once daily, and progesterone 200 mg daily, 10 days of the month

Well I guess I should be OK according to this study anyway Im just wondering how things will settle out in time... I guess with a weekly shot the E level would be pretty constant high... 5mg weekly sounds like plenty and If my insurance wont cover the injectibles I might just try that just to save $$$.... They are currently covering my oral E and spiro 100% so they might cover the injections... If not a five week supply is $122.00 at 10mg weekly.... The savings could be significant.... Thats still cheaper than my gel/patch/oral regime though.....

Intramuscular administration of estradiol
esters

After intramuscular injection of an oily solution of
fatty acid esters of estradiol, the solvent i
absorbed, leading to a primary microcrystalline
depot at the injection site. Moreover, a secondary
depot in fat tissue may also be formed. The ester is
released at a slow rate and hydrolyzed in the liver
and other organs. The longer the fatty acid chain,
the more lipophilic is the ester, the more prolonged
is the time course of the serum concentration
curve, the more protracted is the duration of action
and the lower are the serum concentrations of
estradiol. The estrone levels are only half those of
estradiol. After the injection of 4 mg estradiol
valerate, a maximal serum level of 400 pg/ml is
reached after 2 days, which thereafter decreased to
150 pg/ml within 10 days (Figure 7)
151
. The
injection of 5 mg of the more lipophilic estradiol
cyclopentylpropionate (cypionate) caused a peak
level of 340 pg/ml estradiol after 4 days, which
was followed by a slow decline to a value of
50 pg/ml not before 2 weeks. The serum maximum
of estrone was only 145 pg/ml
152
.

http://www.hormonebalance.org/images/doc...cteric.pdf

Sounds like you should do 5mg weekly and see what those levels look like before going straight to the max dose.

But what do I know? I'm not very agreeable LOL

Send me the other 5. hahaha

WELL thats what I did... 5mg weekly until my first blood test in two months... I asked them to run it through my insurance company at that dosage... Maybe they will pay for that... They were covering the pills so WTF

After I voiced numerous concerns about conflicting dosage info for EC he not surprisingly was "agreeable" with a lower starting dose

No lab work was done today...

WHAT A HEADACHE this has been, He says EV is for biweekly and EC is weekly according to the guidelines he has that are the most up to date... I have different opinion and Id rather do 10mg EV a week but Im going to have to put my pitch together... Ive been too busy to do it but I will....

According to this recent paper this is a good starting dose biweekly and 5mg weekly SHOULD be about the same as the 10mg biweekly MAX dosage .... ASIDE form the weekly frequency and longer lasting metabolism of 11 days and a weekly injection.... SHOULD BE PLENTY HIGH... I think the fact I sked for a reduction when the rubber hit the road might help my argument

Estradiol
cypionate
(Depo-estradiol)
Starting: 2.5-5mg IM Q2wk
Average: 5mg IM Q2wk
Max: 5-10mg IM Q2wk

http://www.sfdph.org/dph/files/THS/Hormo...apyRev.pdf

This earlier paper from the same source has dosages the same for EV/EC, page 15... The one above is "revised"...

https://www.sfdph.org/dph/comupg/oservic...122006.pdf

SOO thats the story and Im sticking to it... I hope I didnt shortchange myself because I will stay on this dose for the next two months then he ordered a lab test..... IF its not enough I can bitch about it EVERY week when I get my injection done

Its been about and hour since my shot and aside from the HEADACHE all this has given me Im feeling pretty good so far

I had a HUGE headache that started not long after the shot that seems to have thankfully gone away

Probably just things getting changed around too fast, feeling MUCH better now and I hope that continues

I guess anybody would have had a headache after dealing with the doc, having to take a stray dog to the animal shelter And then the joy of going to the busy county building to change all my car/truck titles and registrations... What a racket their running when you have to wait an hour in line then pay to transfer titles from yourself to yourself

It was the same kind of headache Id get on a high dose of E with my old regime but WORSE, pretty bad actually... I also noticed my contact lenses really bothering me, that would also happen on a high dose of E before...

Ive been collecting links to back up my argument for EV injections weekly, just gotta get my girlfriend to print it all out for me or maybe just go get a printer I need anyway....

So this morning I am feeling fine but MAYBE a little E deprived
hopefully as the E level rises over the next 4 days I will just start to feel better and better

I usually do my electro on Mondays and Thursdays so Im gonna get my next shot a a day early next Thursday... Since I drive right by there on the way it will be easy to stop in for my shot..

So this morning like any hopeless junkie would I of course broke down and had to slather on a good dose of gel and I still have about a half of a Climera 100 patch on LOL

Id think with the first shot just kicking in the next one on top of it shortly after will soon get things UP there where I like it, certainly after a month Id think there should be plenty of E2

Better to be safe than sorry with an injection you cant take back I figure....

I decided to go back on the P at 100mg before bed last night and I slept a hell of a lot better than I have been Im going to try to stay on it this time I guess...

4 days in on the EC shot and I just dont feel like I have enough, I was actually feeling better on my old regime of 15 grams gel for 9mg, two estradot patches changing one out every two days and 6mg between the cheek and gum... Thats just A LOT of goop and hassle to put on every day though and it did seem to have an effect on my skin, just not as smooth and with so much applied it would eventually leave a bit of a build up of residue....

Ive tried to go without any additional E but Ive been having a hard time, adding a little gel just makes me feel better I know Im really going to have to wait at least a month though to gauge the effectiveness though....

I hope that next shot gets things moving, I cant wait for it LOL... Im going in a day early for the next one then we will stay at 7 day intervals.... Ive noticed my tits are not nearly as sore or full on the injection and just not as good of a mood despite a few euphoric episodes... Things seem to have leveled out so far with me just not feeling as good so far That I feel that much better with additional E tells me I probably need more... Even shortly after taking 100mg of spiro I feel a bit better for a short time and that really never happened with the old regime that Im fairly certain had me at a pretty high E level....

Ive also noticed my skin getting much smoother at least That is likely just from stopping so much repeated application of gel though....

I still cant find much on EC except that it goes through more metabolism in the liver than EV, but no real explanation of the hows and whys... For something thats been around since the 1950's its surprising to me there is so little to be found on its pharmacology

(06-08-2014, 02:24 PM)EvaMarie Wrote: [ -> ]OHH and also it helps a lot to have the "I REALLY JUST DONT GIVE A FUCK" attitude!!!

Yep!! "I don't give as fuck" is your FRIEND!!!! Carry it with you wherever you go!!!!