03-03-2013, 08:13 AM
I was drawn here mainly by xxd's informative posts regarding the pertinent steroidal pathways necessary to facilitate feminization. While actual studies are seriously lacking, I'm working on devising what I would, more or less, call a hardcore transformation regimen.
The premise-Just a few days ago I realized that I would really much rather prefer being a girl. Maybe not permanently, but given the unending barrage of pervasive and self-torturing thoughts on the matter, I've finally decided to give in. I'm 27- 165, 5'11" and played soccer and football throughout my adolescence (I've still got all the manly muscles plus some beer gut to work with). I know that this forum focuses mainly on breast growth, but in reality, the primary aesthetic function of taking hormones is a redistribution of fat content in the body-- so, whether you're main focus is on breast growth or not, the result will be general feminization to some degree or another. Ironically, I don't think I care for breast-growth, but I do want to rebuild my body (and mind really) in a femme-fashion, which will probably result in some amount of breast enlargement.
I am SORELY lacking in literature, as I only really just made the decision the other day, though I am a sciency type and have a pretty good understanding of metabolism and hormones and... well- stuff. So- I've set out to create a feminization plan. My goal is to rebuild my body so that it fits a feminine profile relative to fat distribution/content and muscle distribution/mass.
I think a non-suicidal target weight, for me, is 136 with a body fat-percent of around ~20%. Unfortunately, to achieve that body-fat ratio, I will have to go significantly under 136 and fatten up to it-- which is looking dangerous and stupid. I think if I shoot for 120- I should be able to survive (I'm being optimistic here) and get very good results.
Phase 1: Muscle reduction.
Safely achieving such drastic loss of weight shouldn't exceed ~10 pounds per month. if I'm to really achieve the sort of results I want, I'm going to have to go down the dark-road of metabolic self cannibalization. To do this, I'm looking at Steady-State cardio (marathon training) combined with intelligent caloric restriction (cutting- otherwise known as starving), and a butt-ton of yoga to prevent injury. This is more or less what Christian Bale did for his role in The Machinist . Obviously, I'm not going to be pushing it that far- I have no desire to be all bony >_>, I WANT HIPS. This sort of physical activity will result in an increase of DHEA, cortisol, and some other stuff-- which I need to figure out how to manage. DHT blockers and aromatase promoters should be a good thing in conjunction with DHEA, but I'm not really sure on that.....
Phase 2: Fattening.
A fortunate side-effect of caloric restriction is that our body switches into fat-storing mode. Going off said diet results in putting on a ton of weight very quickly in the form of fat (the primary reason why calorie restrictive diets don't work when you get off of them). Unfortunately, my VO2 rates will probably try to feed my starved muscles, resulting in a sudden bulk-up of muscle mass instead. To mitigate this, I'll need to eventually stop working out (completely) and maintain a caloric equilibrium for a period of time (probably several weeks) until my muscles normalize and new calories will go to fat instead of muscle (I'm considering tight-lacing, at this point, as it would reduce O2 intake slightly and might help hammer in the new figure). The beauty of all this is that herbal hormone supplementation should result in all this new fat going toward feminine areas- since the sex hormones play a large factor in where fat storage occurs.
I need to work out the specifics, but 9 months is probably a reasonable schedule for all of this. I need to factor in that I'm going to feel like shit 90% of the time and skip on workouts occasionally to ensure that I don't damage my starving muscles- and I also need a ramp-up period of just getting back in shape. I'll also need to regulate the rate at which I try to do this based upon my vitals and stuff- so I don't die. This is not exactly a heart-friendly set of activities... but it can be done safely.
The above techniques are all known to work in the way that I've described, but I don't have a strong grasp of how I should be utilizing herbal supplements and what sort of diet I should be rocking. I need to be meeting the necessary requirements, of course, but the types of food that I eat need to not conflict with whatever herbal supplementation I'm undergoing. Running a caloric deficit- it shouldn't matter what types of calories I'm taking in (carb-heavy most likely), but for fattening... I haven't quite decided yet, probably fat-heavy.
Beer is a good post-workout replenisher- helps avoid injury and has the bonus of providing hops and alcohol, both of which are estrogenic, but as I understand it- we have X estrogen receptors (of two types?) that only accept X amount of phytoestrogens (of potentially different types?). Meaning-- it's primarily quality over quantity. Aromatase promotion and androgen blocking doesn't appear to have any sort of restrictions (?). Hormone absorption works better with a fat-rich diet, so... I guess this is about where I need some advice. I'm in early pre-planning phases, but I was wondering if there was anyone out there who has tried a similar path of greatest stupidity / hardcore?
I'm not likely to be dissuaded from doing it like this- it can be done safely if done properly, I just want to know if there are any existing resources for an attempt like this- and maybe get a general idea of what herbals actually seem to work, especially under such circumstances. Most everything appears to offer a balance of bonus/malus relative to feminization, but PM and White Peony look pretty tried and true thus far...
Thoughts?! I would also appreciate recommendations for other forums/places to ask about this sort of thing. Frankly, I'm not sure if I'm in the right place, but I must start this journey... like, now >_>.
Thank you and hello!
The premise-Just a few days ago I realized that I would really much rather prefer being a girl. Maybe not permanently, but given the unending barrage of pervasive and self-torturing thoughts on the matter, I've finally decided to give in. I'm 27- 165, 5'11" and played soccer and football throughout my adolescence (I've still got all the manly muscles plus some beer gut to work with). I know that this forum focuses mainly on breast growth, but in reality, the primary aesthetic function of taking hormones is a redistribution of fat content in the body-- so, whether you're main focus is on breast growth or not, the result will be general feminization to some degree or another. Ironically, I don't think I care for breast-growth, but I do want to rebuild my body (and mind really) in a femme-fashion, which will probably result in some amount of breast enlargement.
I am SORELY lacking in literature, as I only really just made the decision the other day, though I am a sciency type and have a pretty good understanding of metabolism and hormones and... well- stuff. So- I've set out to create a feminization plan. My goal is to rebuild my body so that it fits a feminine profile relative to fat distribution/content and muscle distribution/mass.
I think a non-suicidal target weight, for me, is 136 with a body fat-percent of around ~20%. Unfortunately, to achieve that body-fat ratio, I will have to go significantly under 136 and fatten up to it-- which is looking dangerous and stupid. I think if I shoot for 120- I should be able to survive (I'm being optimistic here) and get very good results.
Phase 1: Muscle reduction.
Safely achieving such drastic loss of weight shouldn't exceed ~10 pounds per month. if I'm to really achieve the sort of results I want, I'm going to have to go down the dark-road of metabolic self cannibalization. To do this, I'm looking at Steady-State cardio (marathon training) combined with intelligent caloric restriction (cutting- otherwise known as starving), and a butt-ton of yoga to prevent injury. This is more or less what Christian Bale did for his role in The Machinist . Obviously, I'm not going to be pushing it that far- I have no desire to be all bony >_>, I WANT HIPS. This sort of physical activity will result in an increase of DHEA, cortisol, and some other stuff-- which I need to figure out how to manage. DHT blockers and aromatase promoters should be a good thing in conjunction with DHEA, but I'm not really sure on that.....
Phase 2: Fattening.
A fortunate side-effect of caloric restriction is that our body switches into fat-storing mode. Going off said diet results in putting on a ton of weight very quickly in the form of fat (the primary reason why calorie restrictive diets don't work when you get off of them). Unfortunately, my VO2 rates will probably try to feed my starved muscles, resulting in a sudden bulk-up of muscle mass instead. To mitigate this, I'll need to eventually stop working out (completely) and maintain a caloric equilibrium for a period of time (probably several weeks) until my muscles normalize and new calories will go to fat instead of muscle (I'm considering tight-lacing, at this point, as it would reduce O2 intake slightly and might help hammer in the new figure). The beauty of all this is that herbal hormone supplementation should result in all this new fat going toward feminine areas- since the sex hormones play a large factor in where fat storage occurs.
I need to work out the specifics, but 9 months is probably a reasonable schedule for all of this. I need to factor in that I'm going to feel like shit 90% of the time and skip on workouts occasionally to ensure that I don't damage my starving muscles- and I also need a ramp-up period of just getting back in shape. I'll also need to regulate the rate at which I try to do this based upon my vitals and stuff- so I don't die. This is not exactly a heart-friendly set of activities... but it can be done safely.
The above techniques are all known to work in the way that I've described, but I don't have a strong grasp of how I should be utilizing herbal supplements and what sort of diet I should be rocking. I need to be meeting the necessary requirements, of course, but the types of food that I eat need to not conflict with whatever herbal supplementation I'm undergoing. Running a caloric deficit- it shouldn't matter what types of calories I'm taking in (carb-heavy most likely), but for fattening... I haven't quite decided yet, probably fat-heavy.
Beer is a good post-workout replenisher- helps avoid injury and has the bonus of providing hops and alcohol, both of which are estrogenic, but as I understand it- we have X estrogen receptors (of two types?) that only accept X amount of phytoestrogens (of potentially different types?). Meaning-- it's primarily quality over quantity. Aromatase promotion and androgen blocking doesn't appear to have any sort of restrictions (?). Hormone absorption works better with a fat-rich diet, so... I guess this is about where I need some advice. I'm in early pre-planning phases, but I was wondering if there was anyone out there who has tried a similar path of greatest stupidity / hardcore?
I'm not likely to be dissuaded from doing it like this- it can be done safely if done properly, I just want to know if there are any existing resources for an attempt like this- and maybe get a general idea of what herbals actually seem to work, especially under such circumstances. Most everything appears to offer a balance of bonus/malus relative to feminization, but PM and White Peony look pretty tried and true thus far...
Thoughts?! I would also appreciate recommendations for other forums/places to ask about this sort of thing. Frankly, I'm not sure if I'm in the right place, but I must start this journey... like, now >_>.
Thank you and hello!