I've seen a lot and I do mean a lot of body builders transition. Every single one of them always have successful transitions too, because NBE/HRT thrives with physical fitness.

Best of luck to you.

Thank you I sure hope so although I'm not sure what I would become and what I would be okay with as a result of transitioning if I ever did. I think everybody wants that unobtainable body that few have and are blessed with. And what am I ok with ultimately knowing that what ever I get to is what it is and the best it can be without major surgeries. Def don't have the money for major surgeries, who does. But I guess my point is which learn and discover what we're okay with not necessarily meeting that we're settling but like it's okay to be gender fluid in the masculine and/or feminine or both. So I guess likewise and that logic they're going to be some days where we all could be very masculine presenting in other days will be very feminine and I guess it's one of those things where we just have to learn to accept who we are and be okay with who we are and all of it it's entirety to include physical looks and passing. Like I don't think I've really ever had body dysmorphia cuz I've never really looked at my genitals and felt so bad about it to where I wanted to physically remove them right there on the spot or be depressed or sad or anything not to the extent that some people unfortunately have. But I'm also losing my hair thanks to the male hormones I've used and amusing and it's thinning and I know if I were to ever try to pass I'd have to wear a wig and to me I guess that's okay but I don't want to feel like I'm just putting on a costume versus being who I really feel I am if that makes sense. I guess those are all just kind of examples. 

If I were to transition I always felt fitness is going to be number one regardless not that I would ever compete as a trans woman just because I've feel that's more or less who I am but I feel I would still body build because that's what I love and I would probably be one of those huge muscled out women in the gym that people probably thinks you steroids little do they know I would have been born a genetic male that had you steroids lol 

Maybe a little toned down obviously but I mean to each his own I could I find beauty in everything and everyone everything has beauty in its own way you just have to see it and be open to it but I think for me right now my biggest hurdle is wanting to be as 100% positive that I am her am not or if I'm just normal and everybody has these thoughts and feelings from time to time. Obviously I think it would be pretty impossible to say most people ever get to being 100% sure that one Identity or another but it definitely want to be as close as possible as I can get to being as positive as I can be before moving forward with anything and I figured the best way to figure it out is to try some of these nbe products and see how I feel with it especially with PM since most of p.m. is reversible to an extent so see if the shoe fits or not I know I've been watching a lot of YouTube videos with Dr z and she said that you pretty much have a lifetime of knowledge and facts and feelings and all this evidence in front of you so why not socially transition to see how you feel see how the shoe fits if you like it great if you don't well then it's a social transition you did nothing that was permanent except you might not be able to go back to the same bar or nightclub but you know you got to see how it felt and how it made you feel I guess that's what I'm trying to do with using pm and the other supplements mentioned here. 

But I guess it's good to know that a lot of bodybuilders do well with transitioning. I know I've mentioned this person specifically before but I would probably base or at least use as a guide or if not anything else just inspiration of someone to look up to and try to emulate is janea Marie krok . 


But anyways I think I've taken up too much of your time,  I started rambling and ranting but thank you for all the information and knowledge that you've been able to give us

You'll get much faster results that are better on your body & wallet if you switch to HRT. Just sayin' ....

Yeah I imagine I would but I definitely want to go to counseling first and have it professional help me figure out what I even identify as before I make any major decisions or transitions like that. And then there's the whole part where I'd have to tell my wife everything and come out to her and see where we stand. Maybe there's some Middle ground that her and I can come to that will help me feel more like myself on a daily basis then suppressing a side of me and then that side of me acting out after a certain amount of time and then going back to it being suppressed and doing that whole cycle. 

Who knows I'm in maybe just coming out to her as trans and being able to be more feminine and wear more feminine things around the house will be enough versus completely transitioning and going through surgeries and being on HRT. 

Who knows it can go any which way but I definitely don't want to make any decisions or move too quickly because the feminine side I suppressed most of the time has a knee-jerk reaction and has to express itself somehow. I definitely won't be doing anything too serious or crazy without talking to a therapist or specialist especially since having that paper trail will help me with all the legal aspects of transitioning and making things easier I think in the long run.

But talking about it all this definitely helps a lot since I really don't have anyone to talk to about all this.

Non-Binary is a thing and they'll certainly prescribe HRT for being NB. I'm not 100% about labels because I never studied them that much. I just prefer to be me, and I'm happy here in the middle. I kind of suspect that I am non-binary, but I not into studying different classifications of sexuality. I was very much bisexual in my 20s-40s, but I don't pursue that anymore. I'm a happily married man with breasts. I act & dress male in public, I wear a skirt at home. If you have insurance, look into TG/NB Therapies.

Also spend time doing keyword searches in the TG/NB subreddits. They have a lot larger audience to pull experiences from than here on BN. Best of luck to you.

Thanks again for all the help and suggestions. I know I definitely want to get the ball rolling sooner than later just to help clear things up for me and then I'll have hopefully someone who is an expert help guide me and give me things to think about that I may not have even considered to think about with all the paths moving forward.

But talking about it all this definitely helps a lot since I really don't have anyone to talk to about all this.

Same here

Non-Binary is a thing and they'll certainly prescribe HRT for being NB. I'm not 100% about labels because I never studied them that much. I just prefer to be me, and I'm happy here in the middle. I kind of suspect that I am non-binary, but I not into studying different classifications of sexuality. I was very much bisexual in my 20s-40s, but I don't pursue that anymore.  I'm a happily married man with breasts. I act & dress male in public, I wear a skirt at home. If you have insurance, look into TG/NB Therapies.

Also spend time doing keyword searches in the TG/NB subreddits. They have a lot larger audience to pull experiences from than here on BN. Best of luck to you.

I didn't think they'd prescribe hrt for nonbinary people... is this in the USA? Cos things seem different here, although things have pribably changed since I was 19.  Also congrats Stevenator,....whatever works for you as long as your happy.

I'd have to tell my wife everything and come out to her and see where we stand. 

Reading your post was like me looking in the mirror.  

Telling my wife after 35 years of marriage was the hardest thing I ever had to do.  But to my surprise she said “as long as we are honest with each other we can get through anything “.  She was so caring and loving, I wish I had done this years ago. Now I am dealing with the guilt for all the lost years of happiness together.
But this outcome is not the norm.  Don’t go on what I say it has to be your decision, but you might be luck like me.

Good luck

Pooky