12-09-2014, 06:52 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-09-2014, 08:45 PM by surferjoe2007.)
(12-09-2014, 04:58 AM)sp2000 Wrote: I have seen a lot of drs and Endos but they are of no help. Yes my T is very low out of range low. The first time when discovered I had no idea what testosterone is. My dr put me on T cream which initially made me feel better but then I got worse and worse. I got a lot of water in my legs and chest to the point where was not able to walk. Also cream made me very moody. I had to stop it.After stopping I realized I worse than before.SP only goes after DHT not all T. It sounds more like it exacerbated a problem that was just starting to hit anyway. Probably bad luck on the timing of your SP. And so when you stopped the SP it was still there. 2,000 mg 100:1 Tongkat Ali is beyond amazing for T. Hard Rhino at Amazon.com has some great TA. Plus they boost your own T production rather than containing any T so your balls get larger and sexual function improves. Taking outside T makes your balls even smaller. I have a pair of jumbo chicken eggs myself, not exaggerating. Studies and bodybuilder hormone tests confirm the rise in T. Try it, it works. In fact you may want to take it easy at first to prevent excessive soreness in balls and upper legs (where a lot of T is stored) from a sudden dramatic response. See how much is reasonable for you early on before upping it. If TA works well then you may amplify it with 50% saponin fenugreek extract, Testofen or 50% saponin shatavari extract (pick 1). But don't bother with any of these until you already have a good response from TA to amplify, or it may amplify the wrong hormones instead. These are also at Amazon and many other places.
I took 360 mg liquid saw palmetto.
No I had no issues before saw palmetto. I was kind of alpha male, very muscular. Saw palmeto is the only thing which I took for my hairloss.
AFAIK nothing else natural is even in the same ballpark as 100:1 TA and the various amplifying herbs for T. Most other options are a minor boost, if any. Not that there aren't other amazing herbs for other male sexual issues too. But for T I would certainly start on the above before you waste your time and get more frustrated. Then add more on top of that if you like.
Up to 30 mg zinc a day is also very important in case you are deficient. To start you may even shoot for a total of 1,000 mg (e.g., 100 mg x 10 days). Spread out the doses if you use a large amount to avoid shortness of breath. After the starting amount is done, limit to 30 mg a day. Even better than zinc are oysters since oysters contains both zinc and many other helpful minerals. Be sure to eat a lot though. 30 mg zinc is 200% RDA (but still low enough to be totally problem free). B6 may be helpful too. Preferably B6 from bran so that you get other Bs and minerals as well.
If your hormone panel showed high prolactin then try 500 mg vitex. Otherwise vitex is not necessary.
One of the hormone precursors I listed in my previous post may be nice too in case your body's own ability to make them is faltering for some reason. You might add one if TA doesn't work. In general you may want to start hunting down nutritional deficiencies. T production doesn't shut down at random. You probably ran out of some resource like zinc or are getting exposed to large amounts of prolactin or estrogen. The doctor's T likewise cuts off your own T production even more along with other testicle activity. Which may be why you eventually felt even worse; because it addressed the low T but worsened other testicle/sexual issues.
Oh and if you want more good tips for T and so on, try bodybuilding forums. They'll have better info than NBE forums. Not that there haven't been some decent ideas. Just stay away from the drugs some of them are on; a lot of them have major side effects and require extreme caution without doctor supervision. Taking T = taking steroids btw. Way better for your body to make its own.
