[Lotus]

Thanks Pom.

Ok, my theory!

1) Increase Hormones

*Estrogen
*Prolactin
*Progesterone
*Growth Hormones

2) Reduce DHT/ unlock free testosterone / bind SBGH

3) Convert Aromatase

4) Slow the breakdown of estrogen metabolism

First post.... this right here is fantastic information. Thank you

Hi and welcome Marcy,

Whoa!, where'd you find this one lol. Seriously though, the only thing that's changed (imo) is number #5, I think we shouldn't slow down the breakdown estrogen metabolism, and I'll explain why.

The longer we hold on to estrogen(s).... (external source aka exogenous) the more they can muck things up for humans, e.g. edema, E dominance, DVT, potential cancers, 2 OH estrone 16a-OH estrone:

Circulating 2-hydroxy and 16-α hydroxy estrone levels and risk of breast cancer among postmenopausal women
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2562592/

supplements like DIM, indole-3-carbidol (I3C) offer some protection. Additionally, new NBE techniques also help, (steeped inside this big ol' stinker of a thread).

[Lotus]

Lotus, you forgot one extra special ingredient for breast growth: patience. We are all boob greedy but you cannot rush a good thing. But patience does not mean 'do nothing'--there's a lot. For one, there's overall nutrition, exercise, and massaging. It's a full time job. You've taught me that!

Hi Eloise,

Yes, you're right.....patience, patience, um, patient, lol, watching paint dry could be more exciting. I take some solace seeing minor changes, I like to think of them as small victories, meaning changes to areolas, skin, shape of the breast (on that particular day, etc). For me, obsessing (over lack of changes) manifested into boobie greed, and this could be harmful (e.g. health risks) as it was for me. My expectations of growth was at least 1 cup increase each year, 3+ years later it was slightly over that. Even Hrt is no quick response, 2-3+ years there too.

Once you get glandular tiissue it doesn't go away unless surgically removed. The WTF did I do to myself is real.......don't kid yourself, if you're not sure about doing this, don't do it........better seek guidance, advice from someone with actual experience, and a professional therapist could help too.

The reality is that the narrative still exists in the medical community, non-binary gender types face stigmata over the traditional trans role (mtf). The fact that more gender variants exist these days isn't alarming to many of us, however, it is to the folks who are closed minded. Coming out trans to your doctor is unnerving to say the least. My therapist (3rd one) gave me a piece of advice that made sense to me, have your health care monitored (e.g. labs, med's, tests) to play it safe. Now, it took me 2 years to find a doctor who spealizes in transgender care, and still, I had to jump through hoops, (total BS imo). The first time around was a disaster, the guy was jerk, I realized later about his discrimination towards non-binary types, (in fact he stated he didn't believe in the other gender variants).

Seeking medical care for GID, hmm, not easy. I read how some make it sound so easy to go on Hrt, (e.g. walked out the same day with a prescription in hand), I think it paints an unrealistic picture, in fact that's not always the case. Turning to DIY methods seem to be the only option for some, it did for me. And why is that?. Who's the voice of change?, please don't mention a certain reality star. If the incidence of DIY is high, why wouldn't more doctors be willing to monitor health care, it makes no sense not too.

In a perfect world we'd be able to express differences of gender without being in-fear for your life. Look, male anatomy has mammary glands capable of growing boobs, is this the makers doing?, maybe so.

Goodness gracious, sorry, I went out of my norm.

[Lotus]

Great to see you're active again, you keep things alive in here with your interesting posts, I wouldnt wanna miss a Lotus thing:p
Anyhow just one question as you're here now, my dogs get sheep-fat with dried aglues from me and I snack from it too for the fat..I think it might be good for NBE,but what do you think about eating bad fats> what about the amounts?
I alreaady take so much,breads with olive oil, 2 spoons C.O...where does the fat in fat out stops? Or are fats healthy,there's a lot of controversial info about it..

Lol, I went 4-6 weeks without posting. I had some new intriguing theories and thought, WTF!!!, maybe I should share them, even if it doesn't make sense to everybody, lmao.

Tail fat is a new thing for me, is it organic?, does the ingredients mention the fat content?, or what kind of fat it is?, e.g. Omega 6? Polyunsaturated?, etc.

[hannah]

Great to see you're active again, you keep things alive in here with your interesting posts, I wouldnt wanna miss a Lotus thing:p
Anyhow just one question as you're here now, my dogs get sheep-fat with dried aglues from me and I snack from it too for the fat..I think it might be good for NBE,but what do you think about eating bad fats> what about the amounts?
I alreaady take so much,breads with olive oil, 2 spoons C.O...where does the fat in fat out stops? Or are fats healthy,there's a lot of controversial info about it..

Lol, I went 4-6 weeks without posting. I had some new intriguing theories and thought, WTF!!!, maybe I should share them, even if it doesn't make sense to everybody, lmao.

Tail fat is a new thing for me, is it organic?, does the ingredients mention the fat content?, or what kind of fat it is?, e.g. Omega 6? Polyunsaturated?, etc.

Yes its organic, its says cold prepared, 93% sheep fat-7% algues, for omega 3,6 and 9 it says.. and vit a+d.
And 58% of the fat is unstaurated to 32% polyunsaturated, is that good?(Poly's will be stored right?)
It does says since its from an animal its easier to absorb then vegetable oils. Its massive btw..you can also buy liquid..

I can not find a lot of info about it except that it is a good source of conjugated linoleic acid..=omega 6?

The dogs hair looks really different, thats where I bought it for(for their hair loss) So I started taking it too now,lmao.

[hannah]

I found this...if you didnt already knew it..So how exactly is cooking with animal fat better for us?

Unlike vegetable oils, animal fats are very stable and don’t turn rancid easily. This makes them ideal for cooking, which involves heating the fat. And they have no trans fats.

It is much easier to roast a bird or a joint of meat if it has a good quantity of fat. The fat guarantees taste and succulence. Without it, the meat will be dry and tasteless.

Animal fats have lots of good fatty acids that fight disease, help absorb vitamins and lower cholesterol. Your body burns the short-chained fatty acids found in animal fats and stores the long-chained ones found in polyunsaturated fat. It is a myth that eating animal fat makes you fat.

Animal fat also has a good ratio of essential fatty acids. Many of us have a skewed ratio thanks to too much vegetable oil. When this ratio is out of balance, it results in illness and depression.

But best of all, fat — with its big round molecules — tastes good, it feels good in your mouth, on your tongue and it carries flavors.

[pom19]

Animal fat clogs the heart's arteries.

[The First Aria]

Excuse me POM, while I finish my 12 oz.. T-Bone.........

[pom19]

Excuse me POM, while I finish my 12 oz.. T-Bone.........

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[Eloise]

Lotus, you forgot one extra special ingredient for breast growth: patience. We are all boob greedy but you cannot rush a good thing. But patience does not mean 'do nothing'--there's a lot. For one, there's overall nutrition, exercise, and massaging. It's a full time job. You've taught me that!

Hi Eloise,

Yes, you're right.....patience, patience, um, patient, lol, watching paint dry could be more exciting. I take some solace seeing minor changes, I like to think of them as small victories, meaning changes to areolas, skin, shape of the breast (on that particular day, etc). For me, obsessing (over lack of changes) manifested into boobie greed, and this could be harmful (e.g. health risks) as it was for me. My expectations of growth was at least 1 cup increase each year, 3+ years later it was slightly over that. Even Hrt is no quick response, 2-3+ years there too.

Once you get glandular tiissue it doesn't go away unless surgically removed. The WTF did I do to myself is real.......don't kid yourself, if you're not sure about doing this, don't do it........better seek guidance, advice from someone with actual experience, and a professional therapist could help too.

The reality is that the narrative still exists in the medical community, non-binary gender types face stigmata over the traditional trans role (mtf). The fact that more gender variants exist these days isn't alarming to many of us, however, it is to the folks who are closed minded. Coming out trans to your doctor is unnerving to say the least. My therapist (3rd one) gave me a piece of advice that made sense to me, have your health care monitored (e.g. labs, med's, tests) to play it safe. Now, it took me 2 years to find a doctor who spealizes in transgender care, and still, I had to jump through hoops, (total BS imo). The first time around was a disaster, the guy was jerk, I realized later about his discrimination towards non-binary types, (in fact he stated he didn't believe in the other gender variants).

Seeking medical care for GID, hmm, not easy. I read how some make it sound so easy to go on Hrt, (e.g. walked out the same day with a prescription in hand), I think it paints an unrealistic picture, in fact that's not always the case. Turning to DIY methods seem to be the only option for some, it did for me. And why is that?. Who's the voice of change?, please don't mention a certain reality star. If the incidence of DIY is high, why wouldn't more doctors be willing to monitor health care, it makes no sense not too.

In a perfect world we'd be able to express differences of gender without being in-fear for your life. Look, male anatomy has mammary glands capable of growing boobs, is this the makers doing?, maybe so.

Goodness gracious, sorry, I went out of my norm.

Amen!

At the beginning of this process, I was like 'Oh, I can grow boobs and no one has to notice.' Yeah, that makes as much sense as saying I'll dye my hair neon pink and no one will notice. Like you said, once you get to that threshold and realize 'Gosh, this is for real' it sort of makes you really think about what you are doing and what you want going forward with your life.

I'm sorry to hear that your experiences with the medical community has been a roller coaster ride. But who can blame them when they get all jealous seeing the breasts and female physique you have fashioned? In all seriousness, I am sorry that you had to go through that. I have yet to see any medical professional, however, I suspect a visit is coming sooner rather than later.

And, in all seriousness, you are more of an inspiration than that certain reality star.

Good to hear from you and Happy Holidays!

[WendyA]

Seeking medical care for GID, hmm, not easy. I read how some make it sound so easy to go on Hrt, (e.g. walked out the same day with a prescription in hand), I think it paints an unrealistic picture, in fact that's not always the case.

It's rarely the case, but after a physical evaluation and blood tests it should be the case.

If the incidence of DIY is high, why wouldn't more doctors be willing to monitor health care, it makes no sense not too.

Making access easier does seem to make the most sense.

In a perfect world we'd be able to express differences of gender without being in-fear for your life. Look, male anatomy has mammary glands capable of growing boobs, is this the makers doing?, maybe so.

Maybe someday.

Excuse me POM, while I finish my 12 oz.. T-Bone.........

With this sense of humor I take it coronary artery disease wasn't the cause of your heart surgery.