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PM for a week..

#1

Hello, I've been lurking around off and on for almost a year now. I finally got enough courage and ordered some PM from Ainterol last week. I started my first dose 5 days ago @ 1000mg. I'm 5'11 and 150lbs. I have been taking 1000mg twice a day since. I'm not expecting any changes, as I've definitely done my homework, but I guess I was thinking I'd at least KNOW that I was putting 2k of PM into my system. I'm not tired, no side effects, nothing. Again, I'm not looking for any physical changes after 4-5 days nor 4-5 weeks.

My question is: I see you all saying find what dose is right for you.. What do you mean? How do you know what's right for you? How do I know what's Right for me? Maybe I'll be able to answer this question myself in a month or two. Just curious how you all felt during the first couple weeks and how you found your correct dose.

Thank you!
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#2

Hello Katrina.

Glad you could join the board! Smile

(17-12-2013, 11:16 AM)KatrinaT Wrote:  My question is: I see you all saying find what dose is right for you.. What do you mean? How do you know what's right for you? How do I know what's Right for me? Maybe I'll be able to answer this question myself in a month or two. Just curious how you all felt during the first couple weeks and how you found your correct dose.

I think there is one of two standards that is commonly used to determine what is one's ideal dose. The first is obtaining breast growth. The second is having significant relief from gender dysphoria. Some members are pursuing only one of these goals, while others strive for both.

I suspect there is seldom a "eureka" moment when trying to find the right dose. Even if you have found the right dose, I think more often than not, it'll take time for you to recognize this. This is a major reason why I recommend posting progress pics of your development on a regular basis. Other members might see changes or development that you might have overlooked, as you have the disadvantage of seeing your chest everyday. In regards to the second goal, the people closest to you (if you're taking pm for gender dysphoria) might be the first ones to notice a significant improvement in your liveness and overall mood.

I think we tend to have a bit of flexibility usually with finding the right dosage. The good thing is you may not need to hit a precise dosage to get the results you want, the problematic issue though is your ideal dosage may change over time. If you look at my regime, I have changed my pm dosage a bit from a moderate amount to a high amount, and then back again.

I seem to have some flexibility with my ideal dosage. So long as I'm feeling good, my trivial male pastimes are kept under wraps, and my breast development seems to be progressing, I'm happy with my dosage.
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(17-12-2013, 11:16 AM)KatrinaT Wrote:  My question is: I see you all saying find what dose is right for you.. What do you mean? How do you know what's right for you? How do I know what's Right for me? Maybe I'll be able to answer this question myself in a month or two. Just curious how you all felt during the first couple weeks and how you found your correct dose.

Thank you!

It's a very good question, Katrina. I'm new to NBE, too, and had the same question. I took the advice of some of the long time members of the forum and ramped up my PM dosage starting at just 500 mg a day, and increasing the amount by 500 mg at a time. On the tenth day I was taking a capsule at each meal and I noticed that my nipples were getting sensitive to the touch.

On day 12, with no adverse effects on PM, I upped the dosage to 2000 mg, taking my last one at bedtime. At this point, I noted that I had lost all interest in masturbating and viewing porn, and spontaneous nighttime erections stopped.

On day 18, I upped my dosage to 2500 mg (1000 mg at breakfast).

On day 25, I could see a definite change in my nipples. They were very sensitive and protruding out like never before. They got quite hard, too.

On day 31, I could tell that there was swelling behind the nipples. The swelling behind the breasts made my breasts sore all the time, and I was very aware of my breasts during the day. It was at this point that I took a break from PM to see if my nighttime erections would return. They did after four days off, so I went back on the 2500 mg daily dosage.

On day 37, I took pictures and noted some minor changes. My breasts were getting more "fleshy". I figured it was fat that was forming in my chest area, but there was no sign of budding. My nipples and aureoles had definitely gotten bigger. I reduced my dosage to 2000 mg/day to see if growth would continue at that level.

On day 46 I took a break from the 2000 mg dosage for a full week. Again, I wanted to assure myself that my male function was recoverable. I also wanted to see the effect on my breast growth and my mental state. My wife noted a change in my temperament rather quickly. The swelling in my breasts subsided quite a bit, but the soreness never completely disappeared. Spontaneous erections returned.

On day 52 I started back up on PM at 2000 mg/day. The soreness in my breasts was barely there and my nipples had softened, but not reduced in size. The swelling behind my nipples returned within a day of renewing the PM dosage. I took that to mean growth was returning full force.

Last week, my wife mentioned that my breasts were becoming quite noticeable under a thin T-shirt. We discussed reducing my dosage to 1500 mg to slow the breast growth and hope that my AGP symptoms don't return. I haven't done so yet, as I like the breast growth I'm getting. As of today, day 63, 9 weeks since starting my program, I have consumed 200 500 mg capsules of Ainterol R1.

I hope this helps all those starting out on NBE. Of course, everyone is different, so you have to work out your own program to fit your personal sensitivities and and objectives. Good luck, Katrina. Smile

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(17-12-2013, 11:16 AM)KatrinaT Wrote:  My question is: I see you all saying find what dose is right for you.. What do you mean? How do you know what's right for you? How do I know what's Right for me? Maybe I'll be able to answer this question myself in a month or two. Just curious how you all felt during the first couple weeks and how you found your correct dose.

Welcome to the forum!

I don't recall those details, it's been too long since I began. I will say however that at this stage, it is a bit of a feedback thing. If I don't take enough for long enough (like taking nothing for a couple of weeks or more), I lose volume, and get rather edgy and anxious. If I take too much, my feet hurt within a day. As you speculated, I expect you'll have your own answers within a few months.
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(17-12-2013, 07:43 PM)sfem Wrote:  I don't recall those details, it's been too long since I began.

The only reason I can provide this kind of detail is that I've been keeping a log of what's happening on my NBE journey. It's just the way I am. I used to keep a diary in high school, too; a rather feminine thing to do wouldn't you say? Blush

This forum contains a wealth of information. Here's what I've learned on the question of dosage from the postings of the more experienced members of the forum (correct me if I'm wrong, sfem):

As a general guideline, a good approach to get to the right dosage of PM is to ramp up slowly until you feel growth begin (assuming that no adverse reactions occur before that), but taking no more than 3000 mg/day. Then, back off to a dosage that continues the growth while maintaining any mental benefits (brain re-wiring) you are looking for. There's no point in wasting money by taking more than what's needed for growth, and taking too much can cause problems like estrogen dominance.

It's working for me so far.
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#6

KatrinaT,

Welcome! I'm sure you've noticed numerous instances of "patience" being a huge part of any NBE program. just reminding you.

I would look at your dosage in a different way. I think you should be happy that you're taking as much as you are, and you are NOT having any negative reactions. That by itself says that should you wish, you may up the dose as desired. Some people here cannot, or will not, handle the amount that you are already taking. Will your current dose be enough? Hard to tell, but at least you know you can go up. Call me patient or impatient, but I went straight to 3000mg a day when I jumped in. While I knew it would take time to see results, I also saw no reason to delay those possible results any longer than necessary. And I wanted to find out as soon as I could, whether there would be any issues with the dosage I had decided upon. I have at times been up to 4000mg, with no negative effects. that doesn't mean that anyone can or should do the same. But, that dosage for me has never brought about any signs of E dominance.

None of us here can really tell you what your ultimate dosage will end up being. But, rest assured, you will figure it out. Pay attention to what your body tells you, and be honest about how you interpret that info. If you begin experiencing side effects that are not normal, or of a negative nature, then a change is due in something. Lastly, like Flame has said in the past, keep it simple!! Best of luck! Patti
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#7

(17-12-2013, 08:55 PM)ClaraKay Wrote:  
(17-12-2013, 07:43 PM)sfem Wrote:  I don't recall those details, it's been too long since I began.

The only reason I can provide this kind of detail is that I've been keeping a log of what's happening on my NBE journey. It's just the way I am. I used to keep a diary in high school, too; a rather feminine thing to do wouldn't you say? Blush

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I wish I had kept a diary since this started.... at age 7.... would have made a great book....
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#8

(17-12-2013, 09:55 PM)karren Wrote:  
(17-12-2013, 08:55 PM)ClaraKay Wrote:  
(17-12-2013, 07:43 PM)sfem Wrote:  I don't recall those details, it's been too long since I began.

The only reason I can provide this kind of detail is that I've been keeping a log of what's happening on my NBE journey. It's just the way I am. I used to keep a diary in high school, too; a rather feminine thing to do wouldn't you say? Blush

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I wish I had kept a diary since this started.... at age 7.... would have made a great book....

Karren, were you aware of cross gender leanings at such a young age?

My earliest memories of my own transgender warning signs go back to age 11. I had no idea of their significance at the time; only much later, in retrospect. I've recently read parts of my high school diaries and found other signs of ongoing gender conflicts along with my subconscious attempts to deal with them. I sometimes wonder how differently things would have turned out if I was growing up today with the greater awareness of transgender phenomena and all the information about it that's available on the web. Societal influences are so powerful though, I'm not convinced things would be much different.

Oops! I'm getting off the subject of this thread.

I do think it's helpful to keep a log of one's NBE journey, though. A record of one's rationale, attitudes, emotions, as well as a timeline of events could be very helpful down the road leading to who knows where??

CK
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#9

At 7 I wandered into my mothers closet..... been in the closet every since.. lol. My mom used to tell me all the time I was supposed to have been a girl... and right when my sister was born I started wanting to dress like one....
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#10

Alright, here goes..
Thank you for the responses. It was a long time coming by me joining and posting anything. I appreciate the kind words.

I don't know exactly what I'm wanting. Of course I'm extremely confused. I am married with kids, and my wife knows everything. She is very loving and accepting of me, but she questions my motives a lot. I dress behind closed doors and have for as long as I remember. I want to say it was before puberty, but I'm not quite sure. The age 12 is the first time I remember dressing. As a teenager, I would grab a sweatshirt I had in my closet and make a makeshift bra out of it. I was in a house full of guys, (my mom being the only girl).

As for what I'm looking to get out of this.. A sense of peace. I'm on ADHD meds to help with focus at work, and am HOPING to stop taking them forever once the brain rewiring kicks in.. If it does. I have been thinking lately that it's not ADHD that I have. I am not the guy that's all over the place or jumpy.. I just cannot concentrate on a job for any amount of time, which would just exhaust me mentally. The ADHD meds allow me to stay focused all day without a hint of boredom.

I want to be a calmer person, I get excited thinking I could lower my testosterone. I have never had my hormone levels tested, but I'm assuming I'm pretty average or above average in the testosterone department. I am not worried about losing ability to reproduce, I'm hoping my vasectomy took care of that. Size wise, not worried about shrinkage or lack of interest. I'd prefer both. I'd love to be able to not think about sex all the time.

I think having breasts would be amazing. However, society makes me nervous, but of course not enough to sway my decision. My wife told me that if I had a medical condition that made me grow breasts, she'd be fine with it. But if I took something to grow them, she wouldn't be happy. I think the possible benefits far outweigh that. They could potentially bring some excitement to our personal life. And, I pray with time she will agree.

I know I can't sit here and complain, but I really wish my wife were a bit more open. I know if the tables were turned, she's already gone far and above what I'd want to have to accept in a partner. However, she was the first person I explained my deep dark secret to and sadly I don't feel like we can enjoy them together. Understandably.. But I feel alone.

I have absolutely no interest in guys, nor did I ever in the past. Women are beautiful creatures. I am so in love with my wife, which is a great deal why it took me so long to act on anything. I would be completely lost without that woman. She is amazing and amazingly beautiful. She asked me once if I wanted SRS, I told her no. In this lifetime, no I don't. If it were a different life and I had the choice to be born the opposite sex, there'd be no question about it. However, I suppressed my feelings about dressing up and pursuing any sort of medications to keep my wife comfortable. Ideally, dressing up every day would be awesome and fulfilling, I just don't want to hurt her. She is very self conscious with her body, even though I cannot believe I landed a catch like her. She says when I dress up, I take her place as the girl and she gets jealous. I don't play the part, I just wear the clothes. I don't know how to prove to her my intentions, but I think I'm asking for too much from her as it is.

When I decided to try PM, I considered hiding it from her because I was scared she'd disapprove and I'd be crushed. I should have consulted with her first, but I ordered my PM then sent her the link from work so I didn't have to see her reaction.. If I could go back now, I would have had a long talk about it beforehand. I know this is a NBE forum, but I already took the first step in this forum, figured I'd take another. Thanks for listening.
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