This speaks to one of my hobby horses: politicised science. The 21st century has become as much tainted by science being crippled by political orthodoxy as it was in the time of the Inquisition (which was politics underpinned by religion). It is as much heresy now to question "political correctness" as it was to question the sun revolving around the earth.

To my mind, there are definitely two kinds of people who feminise, and they match up with the theories of Blanchard, Bailey and Lawrence. The "true" transsexual, who felt from early childhood that they are in the wrong sex and desire a member of the same birth gender, opposite identified gender, and people like me. Look up autogynephile. It is a person who is heterosexual, does not feel that they were born the wrong gender, apart from the unfairness of it all, and can only feel fully sexually aroused by visualising themselves as women.

That, to me, is why when I take enough PM to grow my breasts, the thought of desperately wanting to become a woman actually goes away!

The reason, I think, is that my libido is intimately associated with that self image of feminity, and when it is suppressed the urge to dress up/medicate/transition actually goes away.

There are plenty of affidavits of people exactly like me on Anne Lawrence's website.

Unfortunately, the trans "community" (euphemism for political activists) have forced the idea of only one kind of transsexual into the orthodoxy, so many more people than ought to be are suffering from transition regret.... see Warning about transitioning

(Similarly, and not to provoke another thread, those people who don't want to be homosexual and seek treatment to become heterosexual are persuaded by "orthodox" practitioners to accept their homosexuality, whereas practitioners who try to help them are hounded by the activists)

To say "I don't get it! Why are they doing this?" Is to ask why someone with body dysmorphia desperately wants their leg amputated - it's the same question, and the same kind of answer. Yet these people get their amputations, for fear that they will do it themselves and die.

Despite what my co-contributors think, I assert that I am suffering from a brain disorder very similar to those people who want amputations.

I believe it is part of a spectrum of disorders caused by insufficient exposure to androgen as a foetus, with "true" transsexualism at one end, heteronormality at the other, and autogynephilia and possibly homosexuality somewhere in between.

The reason I have "heretic" above my non-avatar is that this assertion will make the PC crowd gasp. They have even persuaded the DSM folks to remove the word "disorder" from Gender Identity Disorder and replace it with Gender Dysphoria.

As Shakespeare put it: "What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet".

If we are really at the point in human civilisation where the word "Dysphoria", meaning extreme unhappiness, is better than "Disorder" which means, in this instance, "that which causes extreme unhappiness" then I don't hold out much hope for it.

My opinions only - no need to flame.

B.

Gender Identity Disorder should be left as it is in the DSM. It is after all a disorder that someone is born with, it still wouldn't change the standards of care and recommended treatment and I don't see how it is supposed to demonized people. You treat your disorder by learning to cope with it or by transitioning, that's it.. nothing to be ashamed of and I've found it makes far more sense to people to explain it like that.

The phrase "gender dysphoria" has so many meanings in so many different contexts I've read.. the only consistent use of it is "a feeling of wanting to be the opposite sex". The "dysphoria" part of it seems to have been lost in translation after a while since a lot of trans people don't experience true dysphoria, but usually ranging from mild to moderate levels of anxiety and depression that can eventually become unbearable. Not everyone is depressed but most are anxious at least.

However, I think the "true" transsexual theory is a bit outdated and it's not well accepted these days, the more we are finding out about transsexuality now the more we see that not everyone experiences gender variance from childhood and a lot that do experience it do not develop dysphoric symptoms or go onto be transgender and turns out it was just a childhood phase. Recent studies have indicated that less than 40% who transitioned actually had clear gender variance before puberty.

The transgender spectrum encompasses many different kinds of people and the fact that we have thrown out the concept of "true" transsexuals is a huge step forward. People should not feel like they need to fit a category or a label.. what's wrong with being non-op for example? Some people argue they aren't "true" transsexuals, sure as hell could of fooled me some of the ones that do not hate their genitals I've met are probably some of the clearest trans cases I've ever known and it comes naturally to them being female.

I never hated my genitals, well I wish they weren't there when I was crossdressing but at other times, not really. The idea of "true" transsexuals need to hate their genitals or they shouldn't transition completely is rubbish to me. Sexuality itself is more complex than a simple binary too, polysexuality is become far more recognized with trans porn, a friend of mine recently came out to me that he is attracted to pre-op trans girls.

I should stop.. need sleep

Gender Identity Disorder should be left as it is in the DSM. It is after all a disorder that someone is born with, it still wouldn't change the standards of care and recommended treatment and I don't see how it is supposed to demonized people. You treat your disorder by learning to cope with it or by transitioning, that's it.. nothing to be ashamed of and I've found it makes far more sense to people to explain it like that.

The phrase "gender dysphoria" has so many meanings in so many different contexts I've read.. the only consistent use of it is "a feeling of wanting to be the opposite sex". The "dysphoria" part of it seems to have been lost in translation after a while since a lot of trans people don't experience true dysphoria, but usually ranging from mild to moderate levels of anxiety and depression that can eventually become unbearable. Not everyone is depressed but most are anxious at least.

Too late - it's going to happen - DSM-V

However, I think the "true" transsexual theory is a bit outdated and it's not well accepted these days, the more we are finding out about transsexuality now the more we see that not everyone experiences gender variance from childhood and a lot that do experience it do not develop dysphoric symptoms or go onto be transgender and turns out it was just a childhood phase. Recent studies have indicated that less than 40% who transitioned actually had clear gender variance before puberty.

The transgender spectrum encompasses many different kinds of people and the fact that we have thrown out the concept of "true" transsexuals is a huge step forward.

Have we though? I think you'll find that there are a lot of activists who are saying that autogynephiles are not "true" transsexuals, and they have a lot of pull with the politicians. If the only way such people can get relief (i.e. not knowing about PM) is to get the hormones that put them on the path to transition, then they will get into trouble.

People should not feel like they need to fit a category or a label.. what's wrong with being non-op for example? Some people argue they aren't "true" transsexuals, sure as hell could of fooled me some of the ones that do not hate their genitals I've met are probably some of the clearest trans cases I've ever known and it comes naturally to them being female.

You are preaching to the choir here. I think the problem with non-ops is that they are more in danger of blood clots.

I never hated my genitals, well I wish they weren't there when I was crossdressing but at other times, not really. The idea of "true" transsexuals need to hate their genitals or they shouldn't transition completely is rubbish to me.

Agreed - but it isn't in the orthodoxy yet.

Sexuality itself is more complex than a simple binary too, polysexuality is become far more recognized with trans porn, a friend of mine recently came out to me that he is attracted to pre-op trans girls.

All well and good, but they need an effective lobbying group

I should stop.. need sleep

Pleasant dreams!

B.

Hi there

I have been lurking in these forums for over a year now. I have done a bit of research about NBE options and availability of relevant herbs, which turned out to be a bit difficult and expensive here in switzerland. I've finally settled on a rough program that I want to follow and recieved my first order of pueraria mirifica last friday. Since then I've taken 2000mg of PM a day, one capsule roughly every 4 hours. I also ordered saw palmetto and maca capsules which hopefully should arrive this week. I'm not quite sure if I should start immediatley with the maca and what dosage (of both the SP and maca) I should start with. Opinions would be welcome.

Since I was a kid I have been wondering how it would feel to be a woman, or at least to have breasts. I don't really know why but whenever I see a woman with nice breasts - or a nice bum - I always felt just as much aroused as jealous. Now at the age of almost 31, time feels right to find out. Right now I don't plan on transitioning, or presenting full time as woman. But I'm sure that I want those breasts .

So the last few days have been very exciting for me. Starting on that long standing dream of mine. I regularly catch me looking on the clock to see if it's time for the next capsule. I made a spread sheet where I plan to keep track of my measurements and made some photos. Not that easy to make nice looking photos of yourself. I also think I already feel some slight changes. The tissue all arround my nippels feels a lot softer and more "spongy" as I remeber. Not sure how realistic such a change is after only 4 days (could be expectation bias, who knows), but it sure feels good.

I'm happy to have found such a place, with so much information and personal insight. Very helpfull and inspiring.

Greetings
GlassFin

Hi GlassFin,

sorry your question got hijacked!

My tips:

1) in about a week you should start to experience a feeling of well-being. Depending on how screwed up you used to feel, it could be euphoric. If you don't experience this, there are two possibilities: (a) you aren't taking enough, or (b) if you experience unease and anxiety, you should stop.

2) to avoid kidney-related back pain, don't take any PM after about 8pm.

3) resist increasing the dose for a couple of weeks. If by then you haven't experienced any itching or prickling, increase it by 500mg for another week or two and so on until you do.

I find the dose that most relaxes my mental condition is about optimum for breast growth - rather ironically.

The jury is out on Saw Palmetto. There is conflicting research on what it really does, so I don't take it.

Maca is a superfood that balances the whole endocrine system. I find it cheaper to buy as powder and sprinkle over my breakfast once or twice a week. (Incidentally, I eat flaxseed/linseed instead of cereal - lower carbs - and it turns out that flax is full of lignans, another source of phytoestrogen)

Good luck,

B.

Otherwise, I am talking about a specific stereo type, the hetero-males that know they are hetero and are often manly with masculine habits, features and desire to grow large, hairy breasts.

The person you are describing is not any real person. The definition of manly, masculine habits and masculine features is not an absolute. It varies by culture and time. And what is with your fixation on hairy breasts? Why would you think this fictitious individual would want the breasts they grow to be hairy? Even if they did, is your actual problem that you are in this due to sexual motivation and not suitably stimulated without external beauty according to your own current standards?
If you really want to understand someone, try not including words like disgusted, appalling, hideous and against nature in your questions and statements.

Otherwise, I am talking about a specific stereo type, the hetero-males that know they are hetero and are often manly with masculine habits, features and desire to grow large, hairy breasts.

The person you are describing is not any real person. The definition of manly, masculine habits and masculine features is not an absolute. It varies by culture and time. And what is with your fixation on hairy breasts? Why would you think this fictitious individual would want the breasts they grow to be hairy? Even if they did, is your actual problem that you are in this due to sexual motivation and not suitably stimulated without external beauty according to your own current standards?
If you really want to understand someone, try not including words like disgusted, appalling, hideous and against nature in your questions and statements.

This stereo type does exist. I've seen the photos. Heteros just wanting to grow breasts to simply get themselves off. I am not talking about the less than well-to-do who cannot afford a razor. I am talking about breast obsessive hetero males.

Like those who feed their partners to get extremely obese and those who have the desire to be handi cap when they are with all of their limbs. Imo, it just seems against nature and is appalling to me. I just wanted to know how common this is. I stated in the very beginning, this may or may not apply to the original poster. I should've started another thread.

Btw, I am in NBE as a total body harmonizing makeover. Inside and out. I'm in it to bring out a super human female version of myself. I am actually celibate and do not plan on sexing anyone for a long time. It is by choice. I am doing it for me, not for anyone else. So your statement is invalid.

I am a long time TV that has always desired breasts , I am not TS and don't want to be a woman as l love both of me , I have read threads on the forums here slating men that want to have breasts and cannot be straight , I am both and as for sexuality I would call myself Femmesexual as I am attracted to all things feminine , as barbara I am totally feminine even down to the lack of hair etc , as my male self I am male , do not judge people as to their reasons for wanting this , they maybe don't figure in your mind but we are all different as some things don't figure in my mind but l don't condem either as I am sure your reasons are valid to you , I hope this site is a source of information for all and not just for insulting those that differ from you , I wish you all success in your journey for a beautiful bust as I will persue just that for me , all the best Barbara xx

I am a long time TV that has always desired breasts , I am not TS and don't want to be a woman as l love both of me , I have read threads on the forums here slating men that want to have breasts and cannot be straight , I am both and as for sexuality I would call myself Femmesexual as I am attracted to all things feminine , as barbara I am totally feminine even down to the lack of hair etc , as my male self I am male , do not judge people as to their reasons for wanting this , they maybe don't figure in your mind but we are all different as some things don't figure in my mind but l don't condem either as I am sure your reasons are valid to you , I hope this site is a source of information for all and not just for insulting those that differ from you , I wish you all success in your journey for a beautiful bust as I will persue just that for me , all the best Barbara xx

Thanks, I would think this stereo type doesn't apply to you as I said in my posts, not talking about those who are intersexed in the mind of both male and female. Though you stated you are straight. So this is slightly confusing. Yes, I see it is all complexed.

So now I am beginning to think this stereo type does not exist. I am beginning to think these hetero males are not wholly hetero like they think they are. There obviously is a part of themselves they identify with as female, but perhaps they don't see it that way. This is their way of exploring that side of them.

I am a believer that though they are fine with their genetic gender, there is some sort of void, needing to be filled as they are longing for a pair of living, thriving organs such as the nurturing mammary glands. They can easily see themselves and function as feminine, though their gender by nature predisposes them to be attracted to the opposite sex with the genitalia they have been given, thus longing for genitalia they do not have. So can we say males who consciously grows real breasts are actually not entirely straight?"

I have read men's genitalia is known as highly desirable for those who have them and no matter how feminine one may feel, it is often, hard to part with.

But than again, if this stereo type actually does exist, I think it is indeed some type of extreme sexual fetish. And yes, I'd still like to know how common this is.

Thanks, I would think this stereo type doesn't apply to you as I said in my posts, not talking about those who are intersexed in the mind of both male and female. Though you stated you are straight. So this is slightly confusing. Yes, I see it is all complexed.

So now I am beginning to think this stereo type does not exist. I am beginning to think these hetero males are not wholly hetero like they think they are. There obviously is a part of themselves they identify with as female, but perhaps they don't see it that way. This is their way of exploring that side of them.

I am a believer that though they are fine with their genetic gender, there is some sort of void, needing to be filled as they are longing for a pair of living, thriving organs such as the nurturing mammary glands. They can easily see themselves and function as feminine, though their gender by nature predisposes them to be attracted to the opposite sex with the genitalia they have been given, thus longing for genitalia they do not have.

I have read men's genitalia is known as highly desirable for those who have them and no matter how feminine one may feel, it is often, hard to part with.

But than again, if this stereo type actually does exist, I think it is indeed some type of extreme sexual fetish. And yes, I'd still like to know how common this is.
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thank you for the reply , however at no time did l say l was straight as l pigeonholed myself as Femmesexual meaning l am attracted to femininity as opposed to gender , a beautiful genetic woman attracts me as does a pretty feminine TV or TG regardless of genitals , where as a masculine male does nothing at all for me in the desire department , I believe no one is ever truley "straight" we , in my opinion , are all Bi to some extent , my yin and yang , as probably all other males , who desire this may put it down to the pre birth stage when we're both male and female and were subject to initial hormones in the womb for both sexes where as a genetic woman has only ever been female , isn't it odd that in the animal world the males are the colourful ones and yet in humans it is the other way round now

Thanks, I would think this stereo type doesn't apply to you as I said in my posts, not talking about those who are intersexed in the mind of both male and female. Though you stated you are straight. So this is slightly confusing. Yes, I see it is all complexed.

So now I am beginning to think this stereo type does not exist. I am beginning to think these hetero males are not wholly hetero like they think they are. There obviously is a part of themselves they identify with as female, but perhaps they don't see it that way. This is their way of exploring that side of them.

I am a believer that though they are fine with their genetic gender, there is some sort of void, needing to be filled as they are longing for a pair of living, thriving organs such as the nurturing mammary glands. They can easily see themselves and function as feminine, though their gender by nature predisposes them to be attracted to the opposite sex with the genitalia they have been given, thus longing for genitalia they do not have.

I have read men's genitalia is known as highly desirable for those who have them and no matter how feminine one may feel, it is often, hard to part with.

But than again, if this stereo type actually does exist, I think it is indeed some type of extreme sexual fetish. And yes, I'd still like to know how common this is.

thank you for the reply , however at no time did l say l was straight as l pigeonholed myself as Femmesexual meaning l am attracted to femininity as opposed to gender , a beautiful genetic woman attracts me as does a pretty feminine TV or TG regardless of genitals , where as a masculine male does nothing at all for me in the desire department , I believe no one is ever truley "straight" we , in my opinion , are all Bi to some extent , my yin and yang , as probably all other males , who desire this may put it down to the pre birth stage when we're both male and female and were subject to initial hormones in the womb for both sexes where as a genetic woman has only ever been female , isn't it odd that in the animal world the males are the colourful ones and yet in humans it is the other way round now
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I agree! I truly feel, generally speaking, we as humans are not entirely straight.

The males are so beautiful in the animal kingdom, I think I'd prefer to be male if I had to choose.

But when it comes to humanity, notice how there are so much more MTF than FTM?? This can't be a fluke or else there is something in that water.

So maybe we have found the reason why the female gender has been suppressed throughout the ages? Maybe males from long ago felt threatened, as the OP stated, jealous yet aroused when seeing a beautiful female with a nice pair.

Perhaps the female qualities are truly the most desired when it comes to being a fully functioning human being.