Apple cider vinigar for weight loss +  Mineral absorption and enzyme activators (think B.O. enzymes).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeHl5Y7m1xM

More research needed.

Dear TannySquirrel,

How much ACV do you take per day? Do you just drink it, and how much?


Kay

 kAY, 

i take 2 tsp diluted in water at least 8 oz... DO NOT take straight.. it  may cause irritation or burns to esophagus. it is challenging at first to drink, but you get used to it.. i usually take it once a day.. have been on it for 3 weeks, my acid reflux on most days is not existent...i am trying it for a full month to see if i can totally rebalance my acid in stomach. Might add on fermented foods to help the good gut flora... maybe pickles and sour kraut.. watch that link i posted in my last post of this thread.. it confirms what i was thinking about absorbtion and minerals and enzymes.... so not only with BO, but  by theory, any and all foods and or herbals should be better digested and absorbed in teh right ph balance environment..

Also,.. important to mention... take on empty stomach... i usually take it and wait an hr or so before eating, or i take it at night before bed. when stomach is empty. for the night.

the other thing to mention is that long term use might erode enamel on your teeth, so i would recommend using a straw.

i am also inclined to believe that BO is working better now that i have balanced my gut vs before with acid reflux i had from having too alkaline stomach. according to that video, the sphincter that controls stomach aid just stays open trying to balance the alkaline environment. this gets it to shut. Since acv is acidic in nature, it helps balance the gut flora and thus causes that "valve" to stop staying open. (at least acording to that video)

Sasparilla,  supposed to increase fat storage in selected areas of use:

“According to the manufacturer Sederma, Volufiline is composed of sarsasapogenin, a phytosterol extract of the root of the Amenarrhena asphodeloides plant in an oil-soluble base,” she explains.Jun 7, 2021


It is supposed to be an ingredient in Volufiline, much like voluplus has Nutmeg , which increases fat storage as well on applied areas, 

https://www.newbeauty.com/volufiline-for-plumper-skin/

I have tried to look up sasparilla and fat storage and breast growth, however i could only find reference sources to volufiline ingredients. 

So the idea is you apply it to areas that you want fat to multiply. and as it absorbs it causes more storage.  one other site i saw on my phone but cant find now , said it is supposed to make fat cells divide... 

There is not much out there in the way of herbs that can help store fat. Most herbs are estrogenic, a few progesteronic. some aptogenic... but  between Nutmeg Oil and  Sasparilla extract, you "may" be able to add fat storage to breast as well... and since i think i saw somewhere the breasts are 75% fat, that may be a good thing....

(more research needed).

Hi,

I think you should note that Sarsasapogenin is found also in Asparagus racemosus (Shatavari). which, among other "female health benefits", (supposedly) increases breast development and milk supply. Thus there might be a relevant linkage! However the scientific studies are few

Cheers,
Teddy

very interesting teddy

https://myvitaminmart.com/blogs/daily-health-dose/8428131-vitamins-that-can-increase-estrogen-levels

Vicki's Blog

• Aug 01, 2013
  
  Vitamins That Can Increase Estrogen Levels
  
  Estrogen is a hormone that is synthesized from cholesterol. It is a hormone that is secreted both in male and female.  In females it helps in regulating the monthly menstrual cycle and has major effects on the bone structure of the body such as deposition of calcium resulting into strengthening of bone and causes the skin to become more vascularized and thinner. It also helps in prevention of formation of acne. In men, estrogen helps in the production of sperms by inducing their growth in the testes (reproductive organ). All in all it’s a very important and decrease in its levels can produce major consequences on the body regardless of gender.
  There are various vitamins that can help in increasing and maintaining of estrogen levels in the body. Usage of b-complex formulas can be very helpful because most of the vitamin B can help in increasing the production of the estrogen. Vitamin B-1, vitamin b-12, folic acid and niacin play a significant role in the production of this hormone because they help in maintaining the adrenal glands where the synthesis of this hormone takes place as it forms estrone, which is a precursor of the hormone estrogen. Next vitamin that can help in increasing the level of estrogen is vitamin E. vitamin E is popularly known for its antioxidant properties but it also is beneficial in increasing the level of estrogen. Different researches have been done and it is seen that vitamin E helps in the stimulation of estrogen especially in those who took it when they were suffering or recovering from breast cancer. Another vitamin that helps in the maintenance of estrogen levels is vitamin C. vitamin C plays a significant role and just like vitamin B also causes production of estrogen as it helps the adrenal gland which is where as mentioned above, is where the synthesis of the estrogen takes place. 
  Women, especially those who have hit menopause or are closer to it, should be using these on regular basis because as they age, the levels of estrogen fall and this causes various problems such as osteoporosis because the deposition of calcium decreases and hence weakens the bones. More over the maintenance of the blood vessels that occur due to estrogen also weakens over time and result into various cardio vascular diseases. Men should also use it in order to maintain the mucous membranes in the body that is maintained through estrogen with growing age especially in their 40s. With the help of these vitamins diseases related to dryness or damage to the mucous membrane can be avoided. All in all these vitamins can be used to live a healthy and happy life. 
  
  • Estrogen, Vitamins and Minerals accessories, Women
    

i wonder what supplements are you taking then? If so, how long for? What has your overall experience been with them so far? What changes have you noticed?

To be honest, i am horrible when it comes to taking pills and vitamins etc.. when i remember to, its usually an over the counter multi vitamin, but  be sure to scrape off the protective coating, its undigestible.. just scratch off just a little bit so vitamins show through.. and since i am not regular about it i cannot confirm great success by it. no remarkable difference due to inconsistancy of consuption..

Papaya extract- experimentation 

https://biomedpharmajournal.org/vol14no1/ethanol-extract-of-young-papaya-seeds-carica-papaya-l-lower-the-level-of-testosterone-spermatozoa-count-and-expression-of-androgen-receptors-in-sertoli-cells-of-adult-mice-mus-musculus/#:~:text=Ethanol%20extracts%20of%20young%20papaya,or%20often%20called%20interstitial%20cells.&text=Alkaloids%20papaya%20seed%20can%20also,development%20of%20leydig%20cells10.

so as i was perusing different sites for applicable natural NBE stuff i came across a site that purported that Papaya and Milk combination enhanced breasts. very little else was recorded by this.. however i looked up Papaya + testosterone to see what would come up. the above link indicates that it reduces leydig cells..  i did an experiment (which wll be listed under its own post for posterity.

More information to follow.

Hormonal breast enhancement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormonal_breast_enhancement

some herbal breast enlargement supplements contain phytoestrogens such as 8-prenylnaringenin (found in hops) and miroestrol (a constituent of Pueraria mirifica) and thus may be regarded as a form of hormonal breast enhancement.[3] However, evidence of their effectiveness, as well as safety data, are lacking.
Hormonal manipulation and breast growth

research has found that girls with growth hormone deficiency (GHD) who are treated with GH experience accelerated breast growth[25] and that boys with GHD treated with GH sometimes experience gynecomastia.[26] Moreover, IGF-1 levels and activity have been found to be correlated with breast volume in the female general population.

Certain long-acting growth hormone secretagogues, such as CJC-1295[30] and ibutamoren (MK-677),[31] are capable of reliably and effectively increasing serum GH and IGF-1 concentrations in humans.[32][33][34] Alternatively, exogenous, pharmaceutical GH and IGF-1 (as mecasermin or mecasermin rinfabate) themselves, or analogues of IGF-1 such as des(1-3)IGF-1 and IGF-1 LR3, may be employed to increase GH/IGF-1 axis function. .[35][36][37][38][39] Vitamin D has been found to increase IGF-1 levels in both healthy subjects and individuals with GHD, and vitamin D deficiency is associated with low IGF-1 levels.[40][41][42] However, there is evidence that vitamin D may also potently inhibit breast growth via activation of the vitamin D receptorA number of dietary supplements, including L-arginine, L-ornithine, L-lysine, acetyl-L-carnitine, and creatine, may be able to significantly increase GH levels, although evidence is mixed

to a lesser extent, medroxyprogesterone acetate (MPA), when taken orally, induce IGF-1 production via activation of the androgen receptor (AR) in the liver.

Cyclooxygenase-2 (COX-2) overexpression in mammary gland tissue produces mammary gland hyperplasia as well as precocious mammary gland development in female mice, indicating a strong stimulatory effect of this enzyme on the growth of the mammary glands.[65][66] These effects appear to be downstream actions of increased activation of the prostaglandin EP2, EP3, and EP4 receptors, but not the EP1 receptor, in mammary gland tissue, which in turn results in the potent induction of amphiregulin expression, a critical growth factor involved in normal mammary gland development.[65][66] In addition, agonists of the epidermal growth factor receptor (EGFR), the molecular target of amphiregulin, induce COX-2 expression in mammary gland tissue, potentially resulting in a self-perpetuating cycle of growth amplification by COX-2.[65][66] This mechanism is closely related to formation, growth, and spreading of cancers with poor prognosis, and is in accordance with the fact that long-term administration of aspirin, a COX inhibitor, as well as of other COX-inhibiting non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), have been found to slightly reduce the risk of breast cancer in women (it is notable here that breast growth/size and breast cancer risk are positively associated).[67] Taken together, these findings indicate that COX-2 inhibitors, such as aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, paracetamol (acetaminophen), and celecoxib, may suppress growth of breast tissue.[65][66]


so..if you want breast growth, increase the igf-1, and try not to take any pain pills , asprin etc.

I've been looking into Cyclooxygenase-2 (COX-2). On one hand it seems like its cancer adjacent so maybe thats bad to try and increase. It is an inflammatory... molecule? But if it's inducing hyperplasia, that seems like it could be really useful for people who want size.
https://aacrjournals.org/cancerres/article/65/11/4496/518042/The-Prostaglandin-E2-Receptor-EP2-Is-Required-for

There's not a whole lot of people left here that are super into the science side, it feels like. I heard about this COX-2 stuff from this reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/6noe1t/the_science_of_breast_development_and_how_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

I'm not sure if people want hyperplasia, maybe its malignant growth and somehow worse.
But yeah, I wonder if COX-2 is useful to someone almost 4 years into HRT.

-Aria