[PleasantlyFascinated]

Ok boys and girls, I'm not on purely NBE any more.... This is starting to resemble a DIY HRT program more as time goes on. I got my E cream and applied it for the first time. What I'm doing now, excluding one minor detail is the full "Lotus program" to the letter. Next step is to lower my pm intake as I think its unnecessary (health risk) now. Likely I'm getting enough E without OD'ing on pm anyway.

So here is what I do currently, still on 21/7 cycle, but with minor change with pm dosing only and applying PG more towards the end and the beginning of the cycle, other stuff is on every day on same dosages.

PM 500mg caps, 1000-2000mg/day 1k morning, the rest close to evening.
Calcium + magnesium 2 caps a day which equals to 800mg cal + 350mg mag. Morning and evening.
Vitamin D3 2 pills a day, 100mikrograms (2000% daily intake) Morning and evening.
MSM 1,5 teaspoons a day, mixed with water. Evening.
Red Reishi 1 cap a day in the morning. Extract, equals 10000mg pure.
Progestrone cream, 1/2 teaspoon once every three days on upper chest + wrists.
Estrogen cream, tiny drop on nips daily, larger dose once a week on chest + wrists + inner thigh etc.
Melatonin 5mg daily, two hours before sleep.

Supple nips at least an hour daily.
Noogle 1-2 times a week, one two hour session.
Lymphatic + assorted massage every time my hands are free.

Added dairy intake to boost calcium to make sure its enough, fatty milk, cream cheese are my favorites. Healthy food, less carbs, no white bread, substituted with rye bread. (Not available just anywhere, its a Finnish thing, the most healthy bread I know.) Carbs replaced with more proteins, healthy fats, very little potatoes, more rice instead. Veggies as much as I remember to eat.

Positive thinking and huge doses of healthy self love. I tell my body every day how much I love it, specially my boobies. I keep telling them they're so pretty, big and round and soft. ^_^ Your mind is the most powerful HRT you got, use it well.

Scratches head…

With the exception of PM (and estriol instead of estradiol), I’m on pretty much the same program, though with virtually no carbs.

[Heaven's Night]

What's the head scratching part, what doesn't make sense?

[PleasantlyFascinated]

What's the head scratching part, what doesn't make sense?

Your goals and results seem, and have seemed so different from my own.  I’ve produced no meaningful boobs, nor dare to, since I’d only want them 5% of the time.  Yet, you are wanting breasts of max dimensions (and have a lovely pair I might add.)  My goal is more of a Tarzan look, though I look a bit more like a female athlete, and much less like the world’s strongest man.  My regimen also includes things to enhance testosterone production, while minimizing DHT production.

Yet, here we are with programs that appear to be converging.  It’s all very fascinating, and a little perplexing at times.

[Heaven's Night]

What's the head scratching part, what doesn't make sense?

Your goals and results seem, and have seemed so different from my own.  I’ve produced no meaningful boobs, nor dare to, since I’d only want them 5% of the time.  Yet, you are wanting breasts of max dimensions (and have a lovely pair I might add.)  My goal is more of a Tarzan look, though I look a bit more like a female athlete, and much less like the world’s strongest man.  My regimen also includes things to enhance testosterone production, while minimizing DHT production.

Yet, here we are with programs that appear to be converging.  It’s all very fascinating, and a little perplexing at times.

That's so odd, I would guess its one of the YMMV things or lucky genetics or something? Oh and you've been into this far longer than I am? I remember seeing you here the day I registered... Thanks. I'm really happy about what I've got so far, hopefully nowhere near my growth potential yet. Could it be the higher T you likely have that has kept you from gaining so much boobs?

I'm quite certain that pm alone, and the full program for sure has a major impact on my T level, just from the intense mental and emotional changes it has done. It is also likely that my testicles have not worked full blast for the last ten years since I was sick with long term chlamydia I've mentioned here once or twice... The resulting infection I got likely damaged my good for the rest of my life. So this might be giving me a leverage with herbs.

It's really odd as along Lotus, at least Oki and Freya have got amazing results and BIG boobs on similar programs. I alreadt got decent result on PM only and since I started adding the other stuffs in, its only gotten better.

[PleasantlyFascinated]

What's the head scratching part, what doesn't make sense?

Your goals and results seem, and have seemed so different from my own.  I’ve produced no meaningful boobs, nor dare to, since I’d only want them 5% of the time.  Yet, you are wanting breasts of max dimensions (and have a lovely pair I might add.)  My goal is more of a Tarzan look, though I look a bit more like a female athlete, and much less like the world’s strongest man.  My regimen also includes things to enhance testosterone production, while minimizing DHT production.

Yet, here we are with programs that appear to be converging.  It’s all very fascinating, and a little perplexing at times.

That's so odd, I would guess its one of the YMMV things or lucky genetics or something? Oh and you've been into this far longer than I am? I remember seeing you here the day I registered... Thanks. I'm really happy about what I've got so far, hopefully nowhere near my growth potential yet. Could it be the higher T you likely have that has kept you from gaining so much boobs?

I'm quite certain that pm alone, and the full program for sure has a major impact on my T level, just from the intense mental and emotional changes it has done. It is also likely that my testicles have not worked full blast for the last ten years since I was sick with long term chlamydia I've mentioned here once or twice... The resulting infection I got likely damaged my good for the rest of my life. So this might be giving me a leverage with herbs.

It's really odd as along Lotus, at least Oki and Freya have got amazing results and BIG boobs on similar programs. I alreadt got decent result on PM only and since I started adding the other stuffs in, its only gotten better.

It is indeed odd.  Personal objectives may vary, and within the pages of this site there are techniques to alter hormone balance either a little or a lot, and clues as to how to push them in one direction or the other.  Personally informative, to discover that the techniques I've chosen have so much in common..

[Heaven's Night]

Drew, since you're saying my boobs aren't what they are, I took photos for you, I took measurements just a minute ago, 46,2" bust 38,6" band , 7,6" difference. What does that tell you?? What does 7,6" difference between bust and band measurement mean? You likely know this better than I do as I'm a newbie.

The above ratio minus two sizes, what does that tell to you? How about the picture with my fave bra on? That's fucking 90 E = 40 DD, there's no padding, just me. What does this tell to you? You still think my boobies are C cups? Yea, they look like it because I was born with a male body. Its typical, you know for guys measurement minus two sizes is close to which bras fit them, the looks seems to also be close to that unless its a tiny skinny as a rail broomstick, not like me, I'm fucking six foot tall and weight over 100kg, that's almost twice what you are Drew!!! Wake the hell up and  smell the coffee, I have a big frame, my body is overgrown big clumsy thing which I'm fighting to change into my liking. This is why I need BIG curves to look good... This is why my boobs don't look as big on me because I am big

And this is the only time I'll address stuff like this, anyone who's envious of me, cut it out, look into the mirror and do something about yourself. Its not my choice to be born under lucky stars for boob growth, but I'm glad about it and I want to help others out too if I can. I'm not posting here as a popularity contest or to boast about stuff. I'm here because you deserve to know how it goes and what works and so on. Don't fucking come piss on my parade like that or I'll stop posting for good.

Oh and thanks for punching where it hurts, you hit me right on where my dysphoria is. So there, everyone who wants to hurt my feelings, attack me about my flawed overgrown body, my broad chest and wide shoulders, my overall size which makes me look bulky, makes my boobs look smaller than they really are and makes me just look too much like a guy. Yea, that's the place where to hit if you want me to feel like shit.

So there, I'm done with this shitpost and I wont address it again unless someone forces me into a verbal punch out. Believe me, its better to be friends with me.

[wee2er]

Drew, since you're saying my boobs aren't what they are, I took photos for you, I took measurements just a minute ago, 46,2" bust 38,6" band , 7,6" difference. What does that tell you?? What does 7,6" difference between bust and band measurement mean? You likely know this better than I do as I'm a newbie.

The above ratio minus two sizes, what does that tell to you? How about the picture with my fave bra on? That's fucking 90 E = 40 DD, there's no padding there, just me in there. What does this tell to you? You still think my boobies are C cups? Yea, they look like it because I was born with a male body. Its typical, you know for guys measurement minus two sizes is close to which bras fit them, the looks seems to also be close to that unless its a tiny skinny as a board guy, not like me, I'm fucking six foot tall and weight over 100kg, that's almost twice what you are Drew!!! Wake the hell up and  smell the coffee, I have a big frame, my body is overgrown big clumsy thing I'm fighting to change into my liking. This is why I need BIG curves to look good... This is why my boobs don't look that big on me because I am big.

And this is the only time I'll address stuff like this, anyone who's envious of me, cut it out, look into the mirror and do something about yourself. Its not my choice to be born under lucky stars for boob growth, but I'm glad about it and I want to help others out too if I can. I'm not posting here as a popularity contest or to boast about stuff. I'm here because you deserve to know how it goes and what works and so on. Don't fucking come piss on my parade like that or I'll stop posting for good.

Oh and thanks for punching where it hurts, you hit me right on where my dysphoria is. So there, everyone who wants to hurt my feelings, attack me about my flawed overgrown body, my broad chest and wide shoulders, my overall size which makes me look bulky, makes my boobs look smaller than they really are and makes me just look too much like a guy. Yea, that's the place where to hit if you want me to feel like shit.

So there, I'm done with this shitpost and I wont address it again unless someone forces me into a verbal punch out. Believe me, its better to be friends with me.

Wow DiDi, what's going down??
You look lovely wiht lovely boobs, don't let ANYONE get you down, think back on yesterdays post, full of positivity, please stay strong and positive, you will get there .

[Heaven's Night]

Wow DiDi, what's going down??
You look lovely wiht lovely boobs, don't let ANYONE get you down, think back on yesterdays post, full of positivity, please stay strong and positive, you will get there .

Go read Drew's thread and you know what fired me up. I will not watch anyone say my boobs are not what they are! I am not a liar! I do not fake things! I'm not here to make people envious and come up with bullshit about me! I'm here for the journey, for finding friends, getting help when I need it and to share my experience and help out other when I can. I'm also not here for forum wars, I've seen too many of that...

I'm a bit pissed off as getting kicked on the pussy is not nice at all. Saying stuff that hits me right where my dysphorias are is very bad sport.

Oh yes, I will stay positive, I'm not totally loosing my marbles here, just annoyed as heck for having to address this kind of things, its derailing my thread. This is about my NBE stuff and transition and that's it, not for proving stuff to anyone. Except that I will not take such stuff about my boobs not being what they are, I will set the record straight if someone thinks I'm a liar or a fake.

EDIT:
One more thing, I haven't posted these here before... First of all, latest attempt with makeup, did the base myself this time. And then a boobie pic, from about a week ago after noogling, so yes, there's swelling there, but its a kind of pic that might tell something. Let this sink in for a while.

[Drew]

Wow DiDi, what's going down??
You look lovely wiht lovely boobs, don't let ANYONE get you down, think back on yesterdays post, full of positivity, please stay strong and positive, you will get there .

Go read Drew's thread and you know what fired me up. I will not watch anyone say my boobs are not what they are! I am not a liar! I do not fake things! I'm not here to make people envious and come up with bullshit about me! I'm here for the journey, for finding friends, getting help when I need it and to share my experience and help out other when I can. I'm also not here for forum wars, I've seen too many of that...

I'm a bit pissed off as getting kicked on the pussy is not nice at all. Saying stuff that hits me right where my dysphorias are is very bad sport.

Oh yes, I will stay positive, I'm not totally loosing my marbles here, just annoyed as heck for having to address this kind of things, its derailing my thread. This is about my NBE stuff and transition and that's it, not for proving stuff to anyone. Except that I will not take such stuff about my boobs not being what they are, I will set the record straight if someone thinks I'm a liar or a fake.

EDIT:
One more thing, I haven't posted these here before... First of all, latest attempt with makeup, did the base myself this time. And then a boobie pic, from about a week ago after noogling, so yes, there's swelling there, but its a kind of pic that might tell something. Let this sink in for a while.

No I'm not or wasn't trying to say you are not what you are but I know myself that finding the correct bra size if you are a genetic male is very, very tricky. Well it is for me. What you have is very feminine and your dedication to your program is nothing short of admirable I am certainly no way as disciplined in my own personal treatment as you. We cannot use the tape to measure and use the chart to find a bra size, our bodies are a bit different,  at least that's my experience according to the tape in a c but am certainly not. That's all. Sorry if I upset that's not the way I was going. What you have DiDi is very, very impressive and in such a short time so are obviously a natural sorry for upsetting that's not my aim I was just questioning the cup size as I personally have difficulty in this area trying to estimate correctly. But understand and will keep away now. I do at times write without fully explaining myself and expect people to understand what it is I'm trying to get across, obvious it doesn't work I'm not calling anybody a liar, I would NEVER do that. Apologies again.

[Heaven's Night]

No I'm not or wasn't trying to say you are not what you are but I know myself that finding the correct bra size if you are a genetic male is very, very tricky. Well it is for me. What you have is very feminine and your dedication to your program is nothing short of admirable I am certainly no way as disciplined in my own personal treatment as you. We cannot use the tape to measure and use the chart to find a bra size, our bodies are a bit different,  at least that's my experience according to the tape in a c but am certainly not. That's all. Sorry if I upset that's not the way I was going. What you have DiDi is very, very impressive and in such a short time so are obviously a natural sorry for upsetting that's not my aim I was just questioning the cup size as I personally have difficulty in this area trying to estimate correctly. But understand and will keep away now. I do at times write without fully explaining myself and expect people to understand what it is I'm trying to get across, obvious it doesn't work I'm not calling anybody a liar, I would NEVER do that. Apologies again.

Well, bras certainly are rocket science to deal with... What I've found is that most smaller ones have such tiny cups they don't fit my wide + flat boobs. Anyway, its ok, you just hit a nerve on a bad moment. I'm tired and bitchy today for some reason even after decent sleep last night. Nothing that coffee and chocolate ice cream wouldn't fix.

Apology accepted.