(25-05-2015, 12:33 AM)bryony Wrote: Yes, it is a form of possession, but it is mutual and given (I hope) willingly. A lot of symbolism there, going way back before Christianity and Judaism.(sssssssssssssssssssssss fizzle) Nah, not going to explode.
Don't know if you have kids, but would you not regard them as yours?
I always think of the interesting fact that a familial blood relationship is created between two previously unrelated people by the act of parenthood. Maybe divorce would occur less frequently if parents realised that they are in fact related to one another by virtue of their children.
I'm guessing you must be fairly young. Everyone is so over-sensitised nowadays by the political correctness claptrap. (lights fuse and retires).
B.
Quote:(sssssssssssssssssssssss fizzle) Nah, not going to explode.
For me, this is not about political correctness, but just how I feel about a phrase. A bit past the half-century mark, I don't think I still qualify for young, but then you are only as young as you feel.
I have grown up kids and I have no problem with the term, my children.
But do I want my daughter to become "a wife". I want her to find a life partner under terms in which they cherish each other equally, support each other, and do their best for each other such that they both flourish.
Something subtle in my mind has attached it to my internal definition of wife which does not mesh with that ideal.
(27-05-2015, 12:04 AM)bryony Wrote: ...
Oh ok, not as young as I thought (those dang avatars!)
Well, I like to think of marriage as two people giving themselves to each other. I have and extremely romantic notion of love and sex and commitment.
I found it quite touching the first time I heard "my" wife refer to me in a telephone conversation as "her" husband.
I suppose it is all wrapped up in semantics and symbolism. Even in the wedding service vows it says "do you take this man/woman as your lawfully wedded wife/husband" (or at least here in the UK) with all the possession that that implies.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_vows
We had a civil (non-religious) ceremony, and the phrase is still possessive towards one another. Personally, I'm happy to be possessed. It's kind of cozy.
B.
PS have you asked your wife what she thinks about it? Sorry if you already mentioned it elsewhere.
(27-05-2015, 10:20 AM)CalmlyAndrogynous Wrote:(27-05-2015, 12:04 AM)bryony Wrote: ...
Oh ok, not as young as I thought (those dang avatars!)
Well, I like to think of marriage as two people giving themselves to each other. I have and extremely romantic notion of love and sex and commitment.
I found it quite touching the first time I heard "my" wife refer to me in a telephone conversation as "her" husband.
I suppose it is all wrapped up in semantics and symbolism. Even in the wedding service vows it says "do you take this man/woman as your lawfully wedded wife/husband" (or at least here in the UK) with all the possession that that implies.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_vows
We had a civil (non-religious) ceremony, and the phrase is still possessive towards one another. Personally, I'm happy to be possessed. It's kind of cozy.
B.
PS have you asked your wife what she thinks about it? Sorry if you already mentioned it elsewhere.
My avatar is a 3d cgi model that I dressed and rendered. I should age her up a bit I guess.
The breast size, well that is aspirational so I am not going to shrink it down to reality.
As an IT nerd who tends to take things quite literally at times, there are some nuances of romantic that are lost on me, but commitment is very serious.
We had a civil ceremony as well, but had custom vows. Oh and there was a stuff up during the ceremony, so technically I was the only one who vowed anything.
I have not asked her that question yet. I should.