Clara,

I enjoyed reading the paper. It does make me wonder whether there is a hormonal homeostasis for a third or androgynous gender. If there is such a thing, I think that would be the ideal parameters for me.

Misty,

Yeah, it would be nice if some of the effects of pm are permanent.

Clara,

I enjoyed reading the paper. It does make me wonder whether there is a hormonal homeostasis for a third or androgynous gender. If there is such a thing, I think that would be the ideal parameters for me.

Misty,

Yeah, it would be nice if some of the effects of pm are permanent.

I suspect your breasts and amazing areoli are not going away anytime soon!

I suspect your breasts and amazing areoli are not going away anytime soon!

I hope that's the case! I'll still be taking my progress pictures this month.

Last night I was having some mental cravings to go back on pm. However, I also enjoy being able to achieve the health benefits of running and the feel-good endorphins (Runner's high).

For those who have gone cold-turkey, do you think having a envy/admiration of attractive females is an indicator of returning gender dysphoria? I seem to be doing this a lot during the last few days. I think taking pm again can help my mental status. However, being able to run like I haven't in the last year or more means an awful lot to me as well.

When I do go back on pm, I'm planning on taking it slow. Also, I anticipate waiting at least a month or more before I add spearmint back into my routine.

For those who have gone cold-turkey, do you think having a envy/admiration of attractive females is an indicator of returning gender dysphoria? I seem to be doing this a lot during the last few days. I think taking pm again can help my mental status. However, being able to run like I haven't in the last year or more means an awful lot to me as well.

Flame,

Yes, I would think that you are experiencing some signs of GD. I have begun to notice some signs again as well -- last night my wife and I were shopping at target and I found myself glancing repeatedly at the women's clothing as we walked by (with thoughts of cross-dressing beginning to return). I'm in the 8th day of my break.

Misty

Misty,

I've been wondering if/when my crossdressing urges would return during this cold turkey period. So far they haven't really. I'm not sure why this is the case though. Maybe my GD manifests itself differently than yours?

Perhaps one of us should create a thread about the most common withdrawal symptoms when a bio-male is going cold-turkey from NBE herbs?

Misty,

I've been wondering if/when my crossdressing urges would return during this cold turkey period. So far they haven't really. I'm not sure why this is the case though. Maybe my GD manifests itself differently than yours?

Perhaps one of us should create a thread about the most common withdrawal symptoms when a bio-male is going cold-turkey from NBE herbs?

Flame,

I'm also experiencing a return of the "I want to look like her" feelings when I see attractive women. The idea of crossdressing is related to those feelings (I find myself admiring women's outfits and desiring to emulate the look).

I kicked off the "Withdrawal Symptoms" thread.

Misty

Flame,

I'm also experiencing a return of the "I want to look like her" feelings when I see attractive women. The idea of crossdressing is related to those feelings (I find myself admiring women's outfits and desiring to emulate the look).

Misty

Huh, that's interesting. Those feeling have never gone away for me despite all that I take. My wife and I went shopping Friday evening looking for clothes that express my feminine side ie. male section but with female flare or female section but tom boyish. I came home depressed, full of envy of the female physique, the wide array of clothing they get to choose from and the fact that I'll probably never be able to look even "pretty good" compared to genetic females. It's always been that way for me and I'm afraid no amount of PM, spearmint, SP or pharma estrogen will overpower that.

Flame,

I'm also experiencing a return of the "I want to look like her" feelings when I see attractive women. The idea of crossdressing is related to those feelings (I find myself admiring women's outfits and desiring to emulate the look).

Misty

Huh, that's interesting. Those feeling have never gone away for me despite all that I take. My wife and I went shopping Friday evening looking for clothes that express my feminine side ie. male section but with female flare or female section but tom boyish. I came home depressed, full of envy of the female physique, the wide array of clothing they get to choose from and the fact that I'll probably never be able to look even "pretty good" compared to genetic females. It's always been that way for me and I'm afraid no amount of PM, spearmint, SP or pharma estrogen will overpower that.

Kari,

It's disheartening to hear you're stuck in a rut with GD. Do herbal and pharma estrogens help at all to take the edge off of your depression? If not hormones I hope there is an alternative to help you feel at least a little better.

Kari,

It's disheartening to hear you're stuck in a rut with GD. Do herbal and pharma estrogens help at all to take the edge off of your depression? If not hormones I hope there is an alternative to help you feel at least a little better.

There are several reason I continue to take the herbs and drugs that I do. I'm less irritable which has a very positive impact on my relationships, I don't have any desire to dabble in porn or masturbation which make me feel a lot better about myself, the mental relief I get, presumably from giving my brain the hormones it likes and of course, altering my body to be more in line with how I feel on the inside. "Female envy" is one of the few things my regimen doesn't help me with. It's not unbearable or debilitating ...just makes me bummed out once in a while.