[AbiDrew85]

...Wow AbiDrew! That's the longest post I've ever seen here. You're the coolest geek I know

I don't mean for this to sound like I'm taking sides - I don't have the time to read the whole discussion and pick a side - but I'm really glad you're here on Breast Nexus. I'm glad you take the time to look into and read all the gobbledygook (chemical analysis of herbs etc) and translate it into layman's terms for the rest of us.

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you are right i can't complete with a copy paste.

I give up!

I copy pasted because it is not possible to direct link to any part of Duke's database. The software used on server end autogenerates every single page from the database, thus a direct link would result in either garbage or bump you back to the query page.

When it comes to a database of plants and their chemical compositions, I have not found a more complete database than Duke's. Though the activities reported for some chemicals and compounds are a little outdated it still makes a great starting point to research a plant from.

Not sure why I hadn't noticed the coumarin content in fenugreek last time I researched fenugreek. Probably just overlooked it because it wasn't what I was interested in about the plant. It'd be very complicated to use FG for coumarin though due to the activities of its even more prevalent compounds.

And yes. Though I'd warn most people away from coumarin it's exactly something I'd love. The very reason I'd warn most away is the very reason I'd want it. It's a VERY potent selective androgen blocker all by itself. Blocks testosterone production from androsteniodone. Coumarin-derived drugs do many other things and can become extremely dangerous for EVERYONE, but as an anti-androgen, I think coumarin itself is overlooked a bit much.

Though it does display some activity on the 11-beta-HSD pathway as well, which messes with the whole aldosterone and cortisol pathways again. It's not near as potent there as the major constituent in licorice. It's about even with the most common prescribed anti-androgen in the us, in almost every activity it displays. That drug being spironolactone. Spiro has even more activities though...