[Katie]

Hi Kate

I can think of something very natural thats incredibly good for skin complexion, has plenty of Zinc
but you would sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo slap me

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Julie

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OMFG!  

as much as us girls are into all sorts of things good for our skin, I Refuse to "take one for the team!"

you just wait untill I see you! you`re owed quite a few slaps already!

[julieTG]

Lol
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Julie

[PleasantlyFascinated]

You are quite right to say that even guys may be interested in skin care.  I'll never be a gurl, as far as I can notice, but certainly do have my own particular feminization interests.  I've gotten my feminine waist and bubble butt, and pecs will suffice for my upstairs aesthetics.  I'm told my complexion is great, and am nearly free of any fine facial lines.. 

However - 
The sags in my face somewhat spoil the overall youthful effect.  Losing 20 labs. of flab will tend to do that, I realize.  But, does your skin care magic run to techniques for plumping out?  I understand that facial skin does grow in surface area the older you get, but it sure would be nice if there were some non-surgical way to fill out a face, to eliminate its tendency to sag.  Or, does one settle for "tightening up" techniques (barring temporary ones, like Preparation-H)?  I do use topical peptides for increasing facial collagen production.  I also use 15 grams per day of vitamin C, along with L-Lysine and Proline, so I should be good with overall collagen synthesis.  But, do you know of anything that might augment subcutaneous facial fat?  I've wondered if facially applied estriol might do the trick (weak estrogen to minimize effects of the more potent estrogens).

[Katie]

does your skin care magic run to techniques for plumping out?  I understand that facial skin does grow in surface area the older you get, but it sure would be nice if there were some non-surgical way to fill out a face, to eliminate its tendency to sag.  Or, does one settle for "tightening up" techniques (barring temporary ones, like Preparation-H)?  I do use topical peptides for increasing facial collagen production.  I also use 15 grams per day of vitamin C, along with L-Lysine and Proline, so I should be good with overall collagen synthesis.  But, do you know of anything that might augment subcutaneous facial fat?  I've wondered if facially applied estriol might do the trick (weak estrogen to minimize effects of the more potent estrogens).

actually Yes! there are products that will have that plumping effect, though not necessariliy with fat, although your estrogen idea isn`t bad, Progesterone and estrogen cream like the one I posted earlier (20% estrogen with the rest as progesterone) will help with the fat distro. but for general all over plumpness you can`t go wrong with Hyaluronic Acid, it uses Water instead of fat and works rather well!
you mentioned Vitamin C at quite a high dose, whilst this will be Great for the liver and likely prevent Collagen loss, Oral admnistration is only a tiny fraction as effective as Topical application. studies have shown this to be true as well, with a Much greater absorbtion in the areas it`s required, and despite some myths out there, it Can be in conjunction with other products safely too!

Interestingly there Are vitamin C serums that put all of this together, containlng not only Vit C in effective concentartions, but also retinol (a weaker form of Retin A), and also Hyaluronic Acid all in one product!

perhaps something like this would be what you`re looking for? xx

[dawn]

Thank you for this thread Katie, It been very helpful to me.

[Katie]

You`re welcome babes. xx

[IndustrialD1amond]

@ katie Is it too late to comment?. what's your view on dermal needling and also what about copper peptide complexes for complexion? I know I've used hyaluronic acid in a face mask and it does work wonders, plus I used to use a non pore clogging sunscreen that was a Japanese brand that's really good spf 60 if I'm remembering right.... I'll have to look for it I'll post it if I can remember the name