[Paullliie365]

Which is stronger?

[tomi66]

Which is stronger?

From what I have heard from others HRT. Most that are doing HRT tried NBH and after some time decided to transition and started HRT, a few still use PM or BO. Remember the PM and BO should not be mixed.

[DruLactin]

Which is stronger?

 PM is to HRT, in terms of feminization, like those childhood sticks you'd swear were longswords compare to an actual steel sword, in terms of lethality. they both work, but in different ways and with vastly different efficacy. PM and the stick are great for testing the waters, just a little fun, nothing life-ruining, but for real business you want the machined stuff. you can also test the waters with the strong stuff but thats super dangerous and you might be a little nuts, and you need to be way more careful.

[HelloDiDi]

What a silly question... And very obvious answer, which one is it? Plant based weak estrogen mimics or actual bio identical hormones our bodies produce naturally? I don't think I need to state the obvious much more than this.

HRT wins hands down. But then again, herbal and other ways supplemented HRT is like HRT on speed. That's what I'm doing and my body changes are quite decent I would think. But I think NBE stuff is supplemental at best, slow and inefficient at worst. It does work, but its not the real deal. In my pov, NBE enchaned hormone replacement therapy is the holy grail of transition and feminisation without surgery.

For anyone wishing to stay angrogynous and or willing to keep their male function or wishing for a partial transition, NBE is godsend and totally fine. But there's no contest, conventional HRT wins, unconventional supplemented one is HRT on speed.

[Stevenator_]

I was on NBE for 4.5 years before I switched to HRT, and I wish I made that switch a lot earlier.

My function still works, and tbh, NBE was probably a lot worse for function than HRT is.

HRT has got to be a lot easier on the liver and wallet than HRT is, too. I mean, swallowing gobs of herbs for 4.5 years I got a small B-Cup and spent who knows how much money.

While I do have softer facial features now, HRT hasn't changed my face all that much.

HRT Hands Down compared to NBE.

[tomi66]

Didi,
I truly love your candor and honesty, it's refreshing. I am that NBE guy who just wants that feminine look and remain male. I will have to admit that BO has been a godsend for me, I didn't realize how it made me feel until I started ramping down. I've concluded that I will include low dose Swanson brand BO into my daily vitamin regimen. It's much cheaper than the brand name supplements I am taking now and is a trusted name I have read here for USA BO.

Keep telling it like it is

[HelloDiDi]

Yes, Bovine ovary is amazing to those who benefit from it. Its effects are like HRT on their own but bovine ovary doesn't work like phyto estrogens do. It is said to be a massive aromatase booster and then it has the yet unexplained balancing effect, it does something conventional HRT alone does not do because it works differently. I can't explain it as I don't know the science behind it, but this effect has been observed by me and at least several others who have done it, weird balancing effect and feeling "right" when on it. As if it does something that taking bioidentical estradiol and progesterone alone can't do. I'm planning on staying on BO, on low dose for the rest of my life! Even after breast growth and body changes are largely done, I'm gonna keep this going as long as I can because it does something amazing to my mental state and overall health.

So bovine ovary is definitely something to keep in mind. But it tends to have a "point of no return", it has been reported enough many times that I believe it to be true, so this one might be even dangerous for men not willing to do a partial transition. Proceed with caution.

And telling things as they are, spade a spade, yep. Will do.

[Gabrielle]

Does bo cause loss of function of your little guy then, if your on it long enough?
I know im less horny with pm. Mine has shrunk a bit when flaccid. When im off pm, hes right back on it eventually.

[HelloDiDi]

I'm not really sure what BO on its own would do down there... Other than it mimics what HRT does and somehow is balancing everything out.

[tomi66]

Does bo cause loss of function of your little guy then, if your on it long enough?
I know im less horny with pm. Mine has shrunk a bit when flaccid. When im off pm, hes right back on it eventually.

Yes, it knocks it down quite a bit. I can't keep it up without a cialis viagra cocktail. It's generally tiny and pulled into its sheeth all the time and I am circumcised. Gonads are sucked up as well as scrotum.