[Shirazmn]

One crazy thing that I read is, from many the boobies dont stop to grow even after stopping pm

I've read similar stories. I think it's possible to damage the endocrine system permanently on NBE. Those vice grip pains in your balls? yeah, that's your nuts being damaged.

For boobs to keep growing you don't need a damaged endocrine system but a high level of estrogens in the blood.
Estrogens is stored in fat in the human body. It comes back in circle in the blood stream when the fat accumulated while using estrogenic substances is used up by the body. So, the longer you stay on PM (in this case) and the more fat you build during that time, the longer your body will have a "hidden stoclk" of estrogens. And it will keep growing boobs.

The shrinking testicles are definitely caused by estrogens, but many people here, including myself, fathered kids after using PM and after having had the testicle pains.

[Billie]

I told my wife I feel more comfortable with large boobs. I felt ugly with an ugly fat hairy chest. She kkows about my medical issues and how I am impotent frome a SCI and Bipolar medicine. At this poin She knows I use Viagra and I take an hour and a warm up for sex. She knows I go to TJ Mexico for perscriptions.

[They grow on you]

One crazy thing that I read is, from many the boobies dont stop to grow even after stopping pm

I've read similar stories. I think it's possible to damage the endocrine system permanently on NBE. Those vice grip pains in your balls? yeah, that's your nuts being damaged.

There is such a thing as is called " The Breast Cascade" This basically means that every boobie (even the flat chest of a man) awaits conditions in which it can grow to fulfillment. The really interesting thing to note is this: The more boobie you have developed, the more receptive it will be towards growth. There really is no stopping them. If you can't beat em', Enjoy them.!!!

[ScepticalButCurious]

If you're going to say Gynecomastia, you have to give a reason why you have gynecmoastia as well. Probably easier to just tell the wife you want to grow boobs?

I don't want to hijack somebody else's thread, but I want to talk more about this, because it scares me to death.

I recognize the wisdom in Dawn's advice ("Probably easier to just tell the wife you want to grow boobs?"), but I can NOT imagine that conversation going well in my house.

We have had several conversations over the last 3 -6 months on the subject of my crossdressing desires. Desires, mind you - she has never seen me cross dressed, and has no idea if or how far I have actually practiced it.  But the word was, "I will not support you in it, and if you push it or persist in it, it will be the death of our marriage."  And in another conversation, she said she did not want an effeminate husband, much less one that was growing more so right before her eyes.

And this was before I found this site, or had ANY idea that there was such a thing as NBE, and that it really is possible for men to grow reasonably-sized feminine-looking breasts.  And when I found this site, i became almost an instant addict.

So I'm just getting started on this journey - about a week in.  And haven't even really committed to it.  But man, do I want to. When we were having our "discussions", and she said she read this or that on the internet, I went googling trying to find what she was reading.  But one of the rabbit trails I went down was a series of articles on Quora, in response to the question "Do men wear bras?". The answer that caught my attention (https://www.quora.com/Do-men-wear-bras/answer/Flo-Clak) was from a middle-aged guy who said he wore bras for support because the prescription meds he was on caused his breasts go grow to a 38DDD.  And my response was "I'm jealous.  Where can I get those med?!". But at the same time, I'm scared to death of how my wife will react. Right now, all I'm doing is listening to Binaural Beats tracks (courtesy of BreastQuest's information in his thread in Personal Programs. I'm skeptical that it can really do anything, but I figure it can't hurt to try and she can't yell at me for listening to music, right? I'm listening several hours a day, and I would love to put it on at night, but when I tried, she said she could hear music coming from my hearing aids, so I dropped it rather than raise an issue. But my intention is to keep it up for 3 months and see if there are any results, or to stop if I start getting some obvious results. I also started yesterday massaging my breasts, and this morning I got some mint tea (mixture of spearmint and peppermint - couldn't find any straight spearmint) and some green tea.

But I ask myself, what's you endgame?  Where are you taking this?a Do you want this so bad that you're willing to jeopardize your marriage? And can you see any other way out? To be clear, this is not my identity. I don't have gender dysphoria, and I don't feel like I'm a woman trapped in a man's body.  As someone said in one of these threads, "I'm just a guy who likes [the idea of] having boobs."

Love to hear from anybody with any insight/advice.

Thanks for your patience.

[dawn]

If you're going to say Gynecomastia, you have to give a reason why you have gynecmoastia as well. Probably easier to just tell the wife you want to grow boobs?

 "I will not support you in it, and if you push it or persist in it, it will be the death of our marriage."  And in another conversation, she said she did not want an effeminate husband, much less one that was growing more so right before her eyes.

I would say that you have your answer. I have read and followed a lot of folks breast growing journeys across several forums on the internet and those who have wives that are against the idea at the start of the journey seldom change their mind by the end of the journey and the marriage usually ends in divorce or separation or miserable wives. Very, very, very few come around and say they love their effeminate husband's new boobs, shrunken, impotent genitals and cross dressing.

[ariadne]

Hi ScepticalButCurious

Here's my suggested way ahead -


One problem is keeping your NBE activity discreet.  For example I use pumping and made some modest size gains with that.  But difficult to do privately if you're living with someone - depends.  Your Binaural Beats are a discreet possibility if they work for you.  If you use herbals or pharma instead then it may affect your sexual performance - or may not.  Some of the guys on here use PM and it doesnt affect them that way.

Second consideration is what happens when breasts actually grow.  This isnt as difficult as it sounds because any change will be very gradual - so wife gets used to it day by day.  If it comes to a question of what to do about it - so long as you're not one of those guys that rushes to the doctor over everything -  you can tell her you dont mind being like that.  They have to get quite big before they affect your lifestyle significantly.   A-cup boobs are nice to have and not a liability - dont show under regular men's clothes.

Which takes us to self-confidence in relationship which is the biggy.  When you're not quietly growing your breasts, you need to be concentrating on giving your wife the very best sex life she could wish for.  Sometimes you have to wait for the right time but when you get the opportunity make sure you go large on it.  And generally make her feel wanted and loved.  The prob is if she thinks your attentions are drifting elsewhere from her then she'll get bitchy as women always do in those circumstances.  (sorry this post not very politically correct).  In fact if she's in that mindset she's probably restricting your sex ration already - which you chip away at overcoming with flowers, meals out, shopping trips etc.

So with these steps you get your ducks in the row.  Perhaps at some stage when you've got her confidence 101 per cent, she may enjoy playing with your breasts.
Go to it, man
x Ari

[ScepticalButCurious]

Hi ScepticalButCurious

Here's my suggested way ahead -


One problem is keeping your NBE activity discreet.  For example I use pumping and made some modest size gains with that.  But difficult to do privately if you're living with someone - depends.  Your Binaural Beats are a discreet possibility if they work for you.  If you use herbals or pharma instead then it may affect your sexual performance - or may not.  Some of the guys on here use PM and it doesnt affect them that way.

Second consideration is what happens when breasts actually grow.  This isnt as difficult as it sounds because any change will be very gradual - so wife gets used to it day by day.  If it comes to a question of what to do about it - so long as you're not one of those guys that rushes to the doctor over everything -  you can tell her you dont mind being like that.  They have to get quite big before they affect your lifestyle significantly.   A-cup boobs are nice to have and not a liability - dont show under regular men's clothes.

Which takes us to self-confidence in relationship which is the biggy.  When you're not quietly growing your breasts, you need to be concentrating on giving your wife the very best sex life she could wish for.  Sometimes you have to wait for the right time but when you get the opportunity make sure you go large on it.  And generally make her feel wanted and loved.  The prob is if she thinks your attentions are drifting elsewhere from her then she'll get bitchy as women always do in those circumstances.  (sorry this post not very politically correct).  In fact if she's in that mindset she's probably restricting your sex ration already - which you chip away at overcoming with flowers, meals out, shopping trips etc.

So with these steps you get your ducks in the row.  Perhaps at some stage when you've got her confidence 101 per cent, she may enjoy playing with your breasts.
Go to it, man
x Ari

Thanks, Ari.

We do not have a good relationship all around. I’ve said we’re more like roommates than marriage partners. And that’s partly my fault and partly (mostly?) hers.  I’m 68 and a cancer survivor. My doctor once told me that the chemo tends to fry the testicles, so my T may be low.  I’ve had it checked a few times, and it’s on the low side, but within normal limits. Be that as it may, I can’t get it up anymore.  Even on Cialis, I can get an erection, but I can’t maintain it long enough to have satisfying intercourse. And I think a big part of that is psychological, too. To be honest, I can’t get sexually excited about her any more. We’ve been married for 9 years, and from the honeymoon on, she’s shot me down at almost every turn. And eventually, I just gave up trying. About the only time we even attempt sex is when she takes an Ambien, which seems to make her very amorous.  But that happens, maybe, 4 or 5 times a year.

So, what I’m saying is that the sexual side effects of PM aren’t a concern - I already live with them.

As far as making her feel wanted and loved, that is difficult to do as well.  She has some long time health issues, and is tired ALL the time. If I try to plan something and take her out, she just doesn’t have the energy, and would rather lie in bed and watch TV.

I’ve thought about the privacy issues you mention.  I am intrigued by the Noogleberry, but, like you said, when/where would I be able to use it? But I’ve also thought about what you mentioned - if the growth comes, it’s going to be slow and gradual, and she will adjust to it. It’s not like she’s going to wake up one morning and say, “hey, where did THOSE come from?”.  I have no idea whether the Binaural Beats will do anything or not, but I think I’m going to try to stick with it long enough to see, at least.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Dave.

[PleasantlyFascinated]

Interesting conversation.  I wonder if growing boobs is a form of sexual emancipation?  If a guy has his own, can this be reflective of his need to be less sexually dependent on his wife for fulfillment?

I've been married for over 26 years.  It went from great-sex to completely no-sex for the last 10.  I've noticed myself achieving a state of feminine self actualization that has enabled me to be more completely direct and genuine.  My observation from experience is that privacy can be respected, but lies or obfuscation only distort and cause misunderstanding.

Point being:  If you're afraid of admitting how and what you are, you're being controlled by your spouse, or lies, or by both.  Your going to try to free yourself, one way or another.

[ariadne]

PleasantlyFascinated makes good observations.   I totally agree that freedom from dogmatic limitation and material labels is the goal.   And, SBC, if *love* does remain in your relationship then dont rule out the possibility it can *conquer all*.   But by all the heavenly host I recognise the heartfelt statement "she’s shot me down at almost every turn."  Can love ultimately conquer?   I lost that battle and ended up divorcing from my lovely wife.  Everyone's journey is unique. x Ari