Hi all. Some advice from you lovely people would be much appreciated. I am a 60r old male on hormones to develop my breasts. I was taking Premarin for 14 months but moved to Estrofem (2mg) daily I now have a 38b/c fairly pert pair. I intend to continue and am trying do d/dd+ I love the feel and femininity of them and if I were younger I would try to go through full transition. I have been on a strict diet since 1st Jan and have lost 56lbs. Luckily my boobs have not been affected. I am now moving up a gear and am going to try to lactate, I have ordered Motilium from the US and massage my breasts with Progesterone Cream I also use a breast pump my nipples and areola seem to be increasing in size.
My questions are…. 1) Is there anything else I can do to increase the chances of Lactation? 2) Is there anywhere I can get progesterone other than as a cream as the creams are very weak in strength. Brand names appreciated Finally, can anyone please tell me how to add more than 1 photo to my post?
I will try to keep everyone updated with photos etc (if I can manage to load them) Thank you…
(13-05-2017, 08:59 AM)tvangela53 Wrote: Hi all. Some advice from you lovely people would be much appreciated. I am a 60r old male on hormones to develop my breasts. I was taking Premarin for 14 months but moved to Estrofem (2mg) daily I now have a 38b/c fairly pert pair. I intend to continue and am trying do d/dd+ I love the feel and femininity of them and if I were younger I would try to go through full transition. I have been on a strict diet since 1st Jan and have lost 56lbs. Luckily my boobs have not been affected. I am now moving up a gear and am going to try to lactate, I have ordered Motilium from the US and massage my breasts with Progesterone Cream I also use a breast pump my nipples and areola seem to be increasing in size.
My questions are…. 1) Is there anything else I can do to increase the chances of Lactation? 2) Is there anywhere I can get progesterone other than as a cream as the creams are very weak in strength. Brand names appreciated Finally, can anyone please tell me how to add more than 1 photo to my post?
I will try to keep everyone updated with photos etc (if I can manage to load them) Thank you…
Wow Angela, very nice breasts! Is that only from hormones or did you use another method beforehand? Cheers!
(13-05-2017, 08:59 AM)Tvangela53 Wrote: Bonjour à tous. Quelques conseils de vos personnes aimables seraient très appréciés. Je suis un homme âgé de 60 ans sur les hormones pour développer mes seins. Je prenais Premarin pendant 14 mois, mais je me suis déplacé à Estrofem (2mg) par jour. J'ai maintenant une paire de 38b / c. J'ai l'intention de continuer et j'essaie de d / jj + J'adore la sensation et la féminité d'eux et si j'étais plus jeune, j'essaierais de passer une transition complète. J'ai été un régime strict depuis le 1er janvier et j'ai perdu 56 livres. Heureusement, mes seins n'ont pas été affectés. Je monte maintenant dans un engin et je vais tenter de lactate, j'ai commandé Motilium des États-Unis et masser mes seins avec de la crème de progestérone. J'utilise aussi une pompe à poitrine, mes mamelons et l'aréole semblent augmenter de taille.
Mes questions sont ... 1) Y a-t-il autre chose que je peux faire pour augmenter les chances de lactation? 2) Est-ce que je peux obtenir de la progestérone autrement que comme une crème car les crèmes sont très faibles en force. Les marques appréciées Enfin, quelqu'un peut-il me dire comment ajouter plus d'une photo à mon article? Je vais essayer de garder tout le monde à jour avec des photos, etc. (si je peux les charger) Merci ... Quelqu'un peut-il me dire comment ajouter plus d'une photo à mon article? Je vais essayer de garder tout le monde à jour avec des photos, etc. (si je peux les charger) Merci ... Quelqu'un peut-il me dire comment ajouter plus d'une photo à mon article? Je vais essayer de garder tout le monde à jour avec des photos, etc. (si je peux les charger) Merci ...
(13-05-2017, 08:59 AM)tvangela53 Wrote: Hi all. Some advice from you lovely people would be much appreciated. I am a 60r old male on hormones to develop my breasts. I was taking Premarin for 14 months but moved to Estrofem (2mg) daily I now have a 38b/c fairly pert pair. I intend to continue and am trying do d/dd+ I love the feel and femininity of them and if I were younger I would try to go through full transition. I have been on a strict diet since 1st Jan and have lost 56lbs. Luckily my boobs have not been affected. I am now moving up a gear and am going to try to lactate, I have ordered Motilium from the US and massage my breasts with Progesterone Cream I also use a breast pump my nipples and areola seem to be increasing in size.
My questions are…. 1) Is there anything else I can do to increase the chances of Lactation? 2) Is there anywhere I can get progesterone other than as a cream as the creams are very weak in strength. Brand names appreciated Finally, can anyone please tell me how to add more than 1 photo to my post?
I will try to keep everyone updated with photos etc (if I can manage to load them) Thank you…
Hi Angela,
Did you induce lactation? I share the same obsession. It's really difficult ...
(13-05-2017, 08:59 AM)tvangela53 Wrote: Hi all. Some advice from you lovely people would be much appreciated. I am a 60r old male on hormones to develop my breasts. I was taking Premarin for 14 months but moved to Estrofem (2mg) daily I now have a 38b/c fairly pert pair. I intend to continue and am trying do d/dd+ I love the feel and femininity of them and if I were younger I would try to go through full transition. I have been on a strict diet since 1st Jan and have lost 56lbs. Luckily my boobs have not been affected. I am now moving up a gear and am going to try to lactate, I have ordered Motilium from the US and massage my breasts with Progesterone Cream I also use a breast pump my nipples and areola seem to be increasing in size.
My questions are…. 1) Is there anything else I can do to increase the chances of Lactation? 2) Is there anywhere I can get progesterone other than as a cream as the creams are very weak in strength. Brand names appreciated Finally, can anyone please tell me how to add more than 1 photo to my post?
I will try to keep everyone updated with photos etc (if I can manage to load them) Thank you…
Hi Angela,
Did you induce lactation? I share the same obsession. It's really difficult ...
Lactation and the Transsexual Woman
Breast Stimulation in the Transsexual Woman
Hormonal Stimulation Lacking the hormone producing ovaries and placenta present in a pregnant woman, the transsexual woman attempting to induce lactation must take oestrogen by some artificial means (oral, injection, patches, etc.). The oestrogen is then abruptly withdrawn to mimic the rapid hormonal changes following delivery.
It is appropriate at this point to distinguish between trying to achieve some slight lactation, ranging from a few drops up to as much as 35% that of a nursing mother, and trying to achieve full and copious milk production. Both require some degree of hormonal stimulation, but it's a case of for how long, and also how well the breasts respond to the hormonal stimulation.
If only a minimal degree of lactation is being attempted then the high oestrogen regimen may be as short as two weeks. But if full lactation is desired, then the transsexual woman must try to induce all the necessary developmental changes in her breasts by simulating a full period pregnancy by taking high doses of oestrogen and progesterone hormones for a period of at least six months (probably not coincidently, a premature baby born after the 28th week or sixth month of pregnancy is "viable" and will often survive, and will thus require feeding). This sustained hormone treatment may stimulate her breast in to developing and preparing for lactation, but unfortunately transsexual women with underdeveloped hypoplastic breasts are unlikely to succeed in this endeavour as their breasts will fail to respond to the additional hormones.
Also, in a pregnant woman her production of the estriol type of oestrogen greatly increases and it becomes the dominant type of oestrogen in her body. When present in high levels (unlike the non-pregnant lower levels), one of its effects is to help prepare the breast for milk production. However, the "weak" estriol oestrogen is rarely taken by transsexual women as part of their hormone therapy, instead standard oestrogen prescriptions are either of the estradiol (e.g. the Estrace brand) or estrone (e.g. the popular Premarin brand) types. Unfortunately, prolonged taking of large doses of these "strong" oestrogen types, as is common with transsexual women, seems to de-sensitise the body to estriol, making stimulating the breast to prepare for lactation via hormones much more difficult.
Assuming that the hormones have an effect, the period of the most visible breast growth is often during the first eight weeks of treatment. This enlargement is potentially just temporary as it's primarily due to engorgement of the blood vessels, enabling increased circulation to the breasts. Thereafter, oestrogen hormones stimulate cell mitosis and growth of the ductal system, the development and differentiation of the glandular tissue (lobules and alveoli) is dependent on progesterone, whilst breast fat accretion seems to require both.
Regarding the other hormones found in pregnant woman:
Some prolactin may be produced naturally by the woman's pituitary gland which is helpful but probably insufficient. Currently, there is no prolactin medication on the market but prolactin-inducing drugs are readily available and these can be taken to increase prolactin production to normal levels.
HPL is valuable aid to breast development and lactation, but it's not naturally produced in the body of a transsexual woman. Highly purified HPL is available but unfortunately it's hard to obtain, very expensive (a course would cost several hundred dollars a day), and is very rarely used as a medication.
MSH is not believed to be necessary and is unlikely to be present in a transsexual woman.
Mechanical Stimulation
If it not possible to take additional female hormones in order to stimulate the
breasts in to preparing for lactation, or if (as is commonly the case) the
hormones have no effect due to hyperplasic breasts, all is still not lost. This is
because prolactin and oxytocin, the hormones which govern lactation, are
pituitary, not ovarian (or "female") hormones. Both prolactin, the milk-making
hormone, and oxytocin, the milk-releasing hormone, are produced in response
to nipple stimulation.
Most genetic women and some men can induce lactation to some extent with
only mechanical stimulation. This consists of breast massage, nipple
manipulation, and sucking - the later either by a baby or by expressing using a
good quality electric breast pump with a double pump kit. Realistically
expression by hand, or even with a hand pump, is simply not a practical
alternative to an electric double breast pump given the frequent and prolonged
sucking required on each breast.
Hand-pumps are a very cheap
mechanical aid to help stimulate
lactation, but they are not suitable
for prolonged heavy use.
A possible expressing regime: Begin by expressing each breast for about five minutes, three times a
day. Increase the length of the pumping session as you become more comfortable, until you are expressing for a
total of about 15 to 20 minutes on each breast every two to three hours during the day. Expressing both breasts
simultaneously by double-pumping obviously saves a lot of time every day by this point! You must include night
time pumping sessions, allowing just one long 4-5 hours period of sleep.
Constant expressing will soon get to become hard work, when after a week you still haven't seen any milk at all,
try not to become discouraged or concerned, unfortunately it may well take four to six weeks for the breasts to
begin producing milk this way. Some dedicated women have reported only finally achieving some success after
two or three months pumping!
Stress, tension, and fatigue all produce hormones that can reduce let-down. Avoid smoking and excessive
alcohol and caffeine - these are known to inhibit a mother's milk production and let-down.
In order to pump effectively and increase milk supply it is essential to relax and stimulate as much as possible the
milk let-down response crucial to milk expression. Suitable mental or environmental stimuli such as baby
photo's, imagining yourself breast feeding, direct sucking stimulation of the nipples and immediately surrounding
tissue, playing a tape of the cries of a hungry baby, ... etc, are essential aids to milk production. And a partner
can greatly assist with sexually arousing mental stimulation and manual manipulation of the woman's body
before, and even during, her expression period.
Expression Routine
It is essential to establish a routine to both start and then maintain
lactation. For example begin by expressing each breast for about five
minutes, three times a day. Increase the length of the pumping session as
you become more comfortable, until you are expressing for a total of about 15
to 20 minutes on each breast every two to three hours during the
day. Expressing both breasts simultaneously by double-pumping obviously
saves a lot of time every day by this point! You must include night time
pumping sessions, allowing just one long 4-5 hours period of sleep.
Here are some tips to help both manual and mechanical expression:
1. Set up a regular milk expression schedule.
2. Allow enough time so you don't feel rushed.
3. Relax for 15 minutes before expressing, watch TV, listen to music,
enjoy the occasional glass of wine.
4. Try to minimize distractions - take the phone off the hook, etc.
5. Try to express milk in a familiar and comfortable setting - privacy and
comfortable seating promotes relaxation, which enhances let-down.
Expressing by Hand
Breast massage - place one hand
underneath your breast, the other
on top. Slide the palm of one or
both hands from the chest gently
towards the nipple and apply mild
pressure. Rotate your hands
around the breast and repeat in
order to reach all the milk ducts.
6. Follow a pre-expression routine: Use warmth to relax and stimulate milk flow by applying a warm
compress to your breasts for 5 minutes or putting a warm wrap around your
shoulders; relax with deep breathing and visualizations.
7. Encourage milk let-down by using an oxytocin nasal spray 2 or 3 minutes
before using the breast pump - costly but worth it.
8. Think about babies - look at pictures of a baby and imagine him at your
breast while you are expressing your milk. Play a tape of a hungry baby.
9. Before pumping stimulate your breasts and nipples through massage as
illustrated right.
10. While pumping help "push" the milk towards the nipple - place your thumb
opposite the fingers on either side of the areola (positioned as the pump
allows), then rhythmically press your hand in towards your chest, gently
squeezing the thumb and forefinger together. Rotate the fingers to get all the
milk ducts. With practice you can do both breasts simultaneously.
11. Interrupt your pumping several times to pause and massage your breasts more.
Achieving Milk Production in the Transsexual Woman
Lactogenesis
A genetic woman who's given birth also expels the hormone-producing placenta, and the oestrogen and
progesterone levels in her body suddenly drop. In a transsexual woman, ceasing an additional high oestrogen
and progesterone dosage that's been taken for several months will have the same affect if the hormones have
worked. Recognising that the "birth" has happened, the pituitary gland now signals the body to make lots of milk
in order to nourish the baby by increasing its output of the hormone prolactin, and the changes in hormone levels
thus cause milk production to begin. [Studies show that prolactin make a woman feel more "motherly", which is
why some experts call it the mothering hormone!]
At this point mechanical breast stimulation, particularly sucking
(with a breast pump or by a baby) should be started and an
oxytocin nasal spray used to stimulate milk release. If not
already begun a course of a prolactin enhancing drug such as
domperidone (brand name Motilium is highly recommended to
help milk production.
Success is not guaranteed, but some milk production can be
expected in a majority of cases. Milk production typically begins
between 1-4 weeks after initiating stimulation using prolactin
enhancing drugs, although it can be as little as 2-3 days if
hormones were taken and were effective, or as long as 4-6
weeks if relying purely on mechanical stimulation.
One study of induced lactation using enhancing medications
describes the onset of milk production being between 5-13
days. At first, the woman may see only drops. During the time
that milk production is building, women may notice changes in
the colour of the nipples and areolar tissue. Breasts may
become tender and fuller. Some women report increased thirst,
and changes in their menstrual cycle or libido.
As the body readies itself for lactation, it pumps extra blood into
the alveoli, making the breasts firm and full. Swollen blood
vessels, combined with an abundance of milk, may make the
breasts temporarily painful and engorged, but nursing or
expressing frequently in the first few days will help relieve any
discomfort.
Relative changes in some of a mothers
hormone levels in the days around child birth.
(The amount of a-lactalbumin in the mammary
tissue is an indicator of lactogenesis.)
Milk Release
Obviously the best and most natural way to enhance letdown
is by nursing a baby. As a baby sucks a nipple they
stimulate the nursing mother's pituitary gland to release
oxytocin (as well as prolactin) into her bloodstream. If a
baby is not handy, the let-down reflex can also be
encouraged by using an oxytocin nasal spray such as
Syntocinon which can be prescribed by a doctor.
When oxytocin reaches the breast it causes the tiny
muscles around the milk-filled alveoli to contract and
squeeze. The milk is emptied into the ducts, which
transport it to the milk pools just below the areola. When
s/he suckles, the nursing infant presses the milk from the
pools into his mouth, both manual and mechanical
expression techniques can simulate this to a reasonable
degree.
As the milk flow increases, the lactating woman may feel some
tingling, stinging, burning, or prickling in her breasts. The milk may
drip or even spray during let-down.
A benefit of oxytocin is that it the nursing woman may feel calm,
satisfied, and even joyful as she nurses or expresses.
Maintaining Lactation
In order to maintain production it is necessary to frequently stimulate
the milk-ejection reflex (MER) or "let-down" secretion, i.e. release
milk from the internal alveoli.
The volume of milk produced is primarily a function of demand and is
unaffected by maternal factors such as nutrition or age. Not a lot of
milk will be produced unless suckling (natural or artificial) is frequent
and consistent, the milk itself contains an inhibitor of milk production
that builds up if the milk remains in the mammary gland for a
prolonged period of time. Adequate milk removal from the breast is
absolutely necessary for continued milk production.
If nursing an infant is not immediately and regularly possible then in order to maintain milk flow it will be
necessary to artificially stimulate let-down by expression using a breast pump.
The more you nurse or express, the more milk that will be produced - nursing 10 to 15 minutes per breast every
2-3 hours (day and night!) is optimum! Expressing less than once every 5-8 hours, will result in dramatically less
milk production, although some milk production will continue so long as an infant is suckled or milk is expressed
at least twice per day. Less than that will result in complete cessation of milk production within one to three
weeks. But with sufficient and regular stimulation, it is quite possible to maintain lactation for months, even
years.
Two hormones are necessary for this continued production: oxytocin and prolactin. As mentioned above,
oxytocin is necessary for the milk ejection reflex that extrudes milk from the alveolar lumen. Prolactin is
necessary for continued milk production by the mammary alveoli. The secretion of both hormones is promoted
by the afferent nerve impulses sent to the hypothalamus by the process of suckling. However, whereas the
secretion of oxytocin is highly influenced by the activity of higher brain centres, prolactin secretion appears to be
determined primarily by the strength and duration of the suckling stimulus. Although prolactin levels fall with
prolonged lactation, at least some basal level appears to be necessary for continued milk production. There
appears to be no direct relation between prolactin levels and milk production and therefore it is thought that the
rate of milk production depends on control mechanisms localized within the mammary gland.
Breast Feeding by Transwomen
Achieving lactation is a challenge for MTF transsexuals but it is quite possible,
as indicated at the start of this article, for a transwoman to breast feed
babies. In 2010 the Oprah Winfrey programme featured Dr Christine McGinn -
the "Mum who fathered who own children". Christine is a lesbian MTF
transsexual woman, before SRS she had a sperm sample frozen and this was
used for an IVF procedure which happily resulted in her female partner giving
birth to twins. Christine was able to breastfeed to the babies, she says:
"A lot of women who adopt go through a regimen of hormones before they
have their child, and that enables them to breastfeed by the time they get
their child. So I just did the same protocol. It's basically simulating
pregnancy with hormones, and since I transitioned 10 years ago, I had
enough breast development where it was basically the identical situation."
Is it worth it?
That of course depends upon yourself and your objectives. Hundreds of hours
of effort, probably a considerable amount of money on pumps and drugs, and
an enormous amount of will power is a non-trivial investment. I've had people
email me to say that they have succeeded in getting fluid from their breasts, for
some that seems to have been their sole objective and it may be enough for
them. But in my mind, the lady in the newspaper article had the best objective
ever possible - to breast feed her own baby. And here's some inspiring words
from 29 year old XY, woman, newly married and with an adopted baby:
"[The baby] is wonderful and I was at his birth... I am breastfeeding him
through induced lactation. With what I pumped and stored in advance he had
only breast milk for one month.... now he has breast milk and formula. I feel
great and life is very calm and lovely these days. Things in my life are so
satisfying now. Now all I have to do is learn how to enjoy it!"
Additional Information
Breast Pumps
If you don't have a baby or young child to nurse then hiring or buying a good quality,
fully automated, electric breast pump that closely imitates the natural rate and rhythm of
a baby's suck pattern is essential in order to regularly artificially stimulate let-down and
express milk. Some automatic pumps can "double pump" (i.e. pump both breasts at
once) thereby increasing prolactin levels and milk production while at the same time
decreasing the amount of time a pumping session takes by about half to about 15
minutes.
Medela "Classic" pump
A hand operated breast pump may initially seem a very attractive alternative to an
electrical pump given that they can be bought for as little as $15, but it will usually
be a big mistake to rely on this. Hand pumping each breast in turn, 6 or 7 times a
day for 15 or 20 minutes, for perhaps several months is just not realistic for most
people, even the manufacturers of these pumps only recommend them for
occasional expression or relief.
A good quality electrical pump with a double pumping capability is simply
essential. The best option is a hospital grade breast pump such as the "large"
Medela (Classic) or the Ameda-Egnel Elite, unlike cheaper pumps these test and
regulate pressure; they cost perhaps $40-$50 a month to rent. If you have
problems finding a rental agent then try contacting the LeLeche League for help.
Medela Lactina
Transwoman Christine McGinn
with one of the twins she is
technically the father, but as a
mother was able to breastfeed.
If you want to actually buy your pump, then a popular high-end option is the
Medela Lactina at perhaps $500 (it can also often be rented for about $30-35 a
month), while one entry level option is the Medela Pump-in-Style for around
$300. Remember to get the double pump kit and accessories.
However it may be worth having a manual breast pump as well the electrical. The big advantage of a manual
pump is that being light and small it can be conveniently carried in your bag when you know that you will be
unable to meet a scheduled session on your electrical pump. If you are working, 30 minutes hidden in the toilets
at lunch time using a hand pump may be the only option if the alternative is going more than about 6 hours
without pumping. And a whole day without pumping might undo months of hard work and take you back to nearly
the beginning! Because hand-pumps are cheap, it's possible to buy a couple of different models and experiment
to find the one that is most comfortable, gives the best fit and suction to your breasts, is the most comfortable in
the hand, and is the least tiring to use.
Lactation Enhancing Drugs
Prolactin and oxytocin, the hormones which actually govern lactation, are pituitary, not ovarian hormones (such
as oestrogen). There are currently no human prolactin medications available, but Domperidone (brandname
Motilium) is a drug which has, as a side effect, the increased production of the hormone prolactin by the pituitary
gland, thus helping develop a more abundant milk supply faster as prolactin is the hormone which stimulates the
cells in the mother's breast to produce milk. Another related but older medication is metoclopramide
(brandnames Maxeran and Reglan), this is also known to increase milk production but it has frequent side effects
which have made its use for many nursing mothers unacceptable (fatigue, irritability, depression). But in general
Domperidone is much preferable; it has fewer side effects because it does not enter the brain tissue in significant
amounts.
Genetic women trying to start lactation are advised that prolactin enhancing drugs need only be started only after
the ending of any oestrogen treatment as oestrogen, particularly those types found in contraceptive pills, retard
the start of lactation. However many transsexual women seem to gain considerable benefits from the breast
developing effects of prolactin even if it's not initiating lactation because of their high oestrogen intake, and thus
should not be deterred from early use.
In many countries domperidone tablets are available without prescription. Generally, start at 20 milligram's (two
10 mg tablets) four times a day, i.e. about every 6 hours. After starting domperidone, it may take three or four
days before any effect is noticed, though sometimes women notice an effect within 24 hours. It appears to take
two to three weeks to get a maximum effect. Most women take the domperidone for 3 to 8 weeks, but women
who are nursing adopted babies usually take the drug continuously in order to maintain lactation.
Unfortunately Motilium is not yet available in the USA so domperidone may have to be used instead - usually just
for 4 weeks rather than continuously. Also, in rare cases Motilum may cause stomach or digestive upsets and so
domperidone may be preferred.
Some women find that herbal seed capsules such Blessed Thistle and Fenugreek help increase their lactation,
and these are very commonly taken.
Hormone Regimen
I have been repeatedly asked for typical regimen for hormonal stimulation of the breast for lactation. I am not a
medical practitioner, and there are many factors that must be taken in to account when determining the best
regime and these must all be discussed with your doctor. As an example only, and derived from just limited
evidence, the following daily regimen may be appropriate for a post-SRS woman under 40 years:
1 x Cyclogest 400 pessary from Cox Pharmaceuticals, containing 400mg Progesterone PhEur, daily
1 x Duphaston tablet from Solvat Pharmaceuticals, containing 10mg Dydrogesterone, twice daily
1 x Premarin tablet from Wyeth-Ayerst, containing 1.25mg Conjugated Estrogens, twice daily
1 or 2 or 3 Ovestin tablets from Organon, each containing 1 mg Estriol, 4 times daily (i.e. about every 6 hours)
1 or 2 or 3 Motilium tablets from Janssen, each containing 10 mg domperidone maleate, 4 times daily
A Syntocinon nasal spray from Sandoz Pharmaceuticals, containing oxytocin (use just before pumping or
nursing to help elicit milk let-down)
also, 1 x 150mg Aspirin tablet, daily
Notes:
1. The regimen should be followed for at least 3 months, preferably 6 months, but no more than 9 months
before attempted lactogensis.
2. The dosage of Ovestin and Motilium should be doubled to 2 tablets half way through the regimen.
3. The dosage of Ovestin and Motilium should be increased again to 3 tablets three days before attempted
lactogensis.
4. Premarin is just one possible oestrogen, if in any doubt stick with your normal oestrogen proscription
instead of Premarin, but add Ovestin or similar. The Premarin/Ovestin combination would be very unlikely
if the woman has already been taking Premarin for a prolonged period. There is some anecdotal
evidence that an Estradiol Valerate (e.g. Progynon-Depot from Schering) delivered by intramuscular
injection may be an effective alternative to Premarin.
5. For a pre-SRS woman the dosages may need be much higher.
6. Syntocinon and other oxytocin nasal spays may not be currently available in the USA.
7. Motilium may not be available in the USA.
8. Ideally HPL should also be taken, but this is usually impractical as well as very costly.
Some "morning sickness" and nausea is very probable at first, if more severe side effects are experienced then
medical help should be sought immediately. Long term use of such high dosage levels should be avoided, and if
it's clear that no beneficial effects are occurring within 6-8 weeks then the regimen should be abandoned and the
previous hormone regimen reverted to.
"Attempted lactogensis" means reverting to the prior hormonal regimen in order stimulate the start of milk
production and lactation, this must involve a considerable reduction in oestrogen and progesterone hormone
intake, in pre-SRS women it may actually require a reduction to less than their normal regimen. If a baby is to be
nursed then medical advice should be sought as to what hormones can still be safely taken and in what dosage,
and any anti-androgens being taken must be stopped. Prolactin-enhancing drugs should continue to be taken,
e.g. 2 Motilium tablets every 6 hours, each containing 10 mg domperidone maleate.
Antiandrogens may also be helpful to a pre-SRS transsexual women trying to induce lactation, although they
should never be taken by a pregnant woman, or subsequently if breast feeding. The most commonly used
antiandrogens are spironolactone (brand name Aldactone), flutamide (Eulexin) and cyproterone acetate
(Androcur). Spironolactone, in a dosage of 25 to 100 mg administered twice daily, is the most commonly used
antiandrogen because of its safety, availability and low cost. Flutamide is usually given in a dosage of 250 mg
twice daily, and cyproterone is given in a dosage of 25 to 50 mg per day. Pre-SRS women may well already be
taking much higher dosages of antiandrogens and these should not be increased - indeed in some cases it may
be advisable to change the drug or reduce the dosage to the levels given here.
Nutritional Value of Induced Milk
Milk released by a mother during the first few days of lactation after giving birth is called colostrum; it is richer in
proteins, minerals, and immunoglobulins and is lower in calories and fat than the mature milk that develops over
the following few weeks. The level of fats, lactose, and B vitamins gradually increases in breast milk during the
first month of lactation. Mature breast milk is rich in the mother's white blood cells and hormones and substances
such as immunoglobulins, which protect the infant against bacteria and other infectious agents.
Using a SNS
The milk brought in by inducement skips the colostral phase, instead it more
closely resembles transitional and mature breast milk. It is thus not ideal for
new-born babies, but studies of non-maternal women nursing after induced
lactation indicate that that their infants are well-nourished. However, it must be
noted that many women felt they were only providing about 50-70% of the
nutrition their babies needed with breast milk alone. If a transsexual woman is
nursing it is therefore also very likely that she will be able to produce only a
portion of the breast milk the baby needs, and it will be necessary to boost the
baby's milk intake with formula. For this a Supplemental Nursing System (SNS)
is valuable alternative to the traditional bottle. The device consists of a plastic
pouch to hold breast milk or formula and attached thin, flexible tubes that run
down each breast to the nipple. Since the baby takes both nipple and tube into
his mouth when he suckles, he benefits from all the breast milk that is available.
Nursing
The female hormones taken by transsexual women induce breast development ranging from the slight to
full. Typically their breasts are smaller than genetic women and about 50% of transsexual women have breast
augmentations. However even very small breasts - particularly those of women who begin hormones before their
30's - can often function as nature intended, i.e. feed a baby.
Once the baby is born, the transsexual mother may well be able to experience the final physical act of pregnancy
and birth and attempt to nurse her new baby - albeit with many assumptions such as being well enough after the
delivery and her breasts are adequately developed and haven't been badly damaged by augmentation. There
are already a few instances of transsexual women lactating and even breast feeding the babies of ex-wives or
female partners.
Breastfeeding normally strongly recommended by doctors, it is by far and away the best and most convenient
way to feed a baby. Not only will the baby be healthier, but it also helps the new mother lose weight more
easily. Calories are burned during milk production; indeed some of the weight gained by a woman during
pregnancy is intended to be used during lactation.
Breastfeeding also releases a hormone in the woman's body that acts as a natural tranquillizer, filling the mother
with a sense of calm and well-being while she is breastfeeding.
Breast augmentation, common in transsexual women, does not normally prevent breast feeding. The main
reason that breastfeeding may not be recommended or encouraged by the physician is if the drugs and other
hormones being taken by the mother may make the milk unsuitable for nursing.
It's very probable that the pregnancy and birth, and the associated hormone levels, will in itself be enough to
induce lactation in the mother.
Summary
Inducing and maintaining lactation requires:
1. During the pseudo pregnancy a high level of oestrogen intake must be
maintained for at least 6 months. Progesterone should also be taken as it
plays a significant role in the development of lactating tissue (glands and
ducts).
2. After the nominal birth, oestrogen levels must drop dramatically to 'normal'
levels'. In most transwomen this will kick the pituitary gland into releasing
enough prolactin (the milk-producing hormone) to start some lactation.
3. Assuming that lactating tissue has developed and the milk comes in, it is then necessary to frequently
nurse (or simulate nursing using a breast pump) in order to stimulate the milk "let-down" secretion (milk
ejection) reflex - this is actually caused by the pituitary gland producing yet another hormone, oxytocin.
4. Maximum milk production requires regular suckling or pumping every 2-3 hours. Stimulation only every
5-8 hours will result in dramatically less milk production. Stimulation less frequent than that will result in
the complete cessation of milk production some 1-3 weeks after it started.
5. If actual nursing of a baby is not immediately and regularly possible then in order to maintain milk flow it
will be necessary to artificially encourage let-down, for example by: relaxing with a baby doll; hearing or
thinking of a baby being hungry; stimulation of the nipples and immediately surrounding tissue.
Useful Links
Good information on lactation and breast feeding can be found at the BabyCenter and the International
Lactation Consultant Association
La Leche League International publishes the useful booklet "Nursing the Adopted Baby"
Information on lactation inducement can be found at The Adoptive Breastfeeding Resource Website
(22-06-2017, 01:20 AM)microstring Wrote:
(13-05-2017, 08:59 AM)tvangela53 Wrote: Hi all. Some advice from you lovely people would be much appreciated. I am a 60r old male on hormones to develop my breasts. I was taking Premarin for 14 months but moved to Estrofem (2mg) daily I now have a 38b/c fairly pert pair. I intend to continue and am trying do d/dd+ I love the feel and femininity of them and if I were younger I would try to go through full transition. I have been on a strict diet since 1st Jan and have lost 56lbs. Luckily my boobs have not been affected. I am now moving up a gear and am going to try to lactate, I have ordered Motilium from the US and massage my breasts with Progesterone Cream I also use a breast pump my nipples and areola seem to be increasing in size.
My questions are…. 1) Is there anything else I can do to increase the chances of Lactation? 2) Is there anywhere I can get progesterone other than as a cream as the creams are very weak in strength. Brand names appreciated Finally, can anyone please tell me how to add more than 1 photo to my post?
I will try to keep everyone updated with photos etc (if I can manage to load them) Thank you…
Hi Angela,
Did you induce lactation? I share the same obsession. It's really difficult ...
Lactation and the Transsexual Woman
Breast Stimulation in the Transsexual Woman
Hormonal Stimulation Lacking the hormone producing ovaries and placenta present in a pregnant woman, the transsexual woman attempting to induce lactation must take oestrogen by some artificial means (oral, injection, patches, etc.). The oestrogen is then abruptly withdrawn to mimic the rapid hormonal changes following delivery.
It is appropriate at this point to distinguish between trying to achieve some slight lactation, ranging from a few drops up to as much as 35% that of a nursing mother, and trying to achieve full and copious milk production. Both require some degree of hormonal stimulation, but it's a case of for how long, and also how well the breasts respond to the hormonal stimulation.
If only a minimal degree of lactation is being attempted then the high oestrogen regimen may be as short as two weeks. But if full lactation is desired, then the transsexual woman must try to induce all the necessary developmental changes in her breasts by simulating a full period pregnancy by taking high doses of oestrogen and progesterone hormones for a period of at least six months (probably not coincidently, a premature baby born after the 28th week or sixth month of pregnancy is "viable" and will often survive, and will thus require feeding). This sustained hormone treatment may stimulate her breast in to developing and preparing for lactation, but unfortunately transsexual women with underdeveloped hypoplastic breasts are unlikely to succeed in this endeavour as their breasts will fail to respond to the additional hormones.
Also, in a pregnant woman her production of the estriol type of oestrogen greatly increases and it becomes the dominant type of oestrogen in her body. When present in high levels (unlike the non-pregnant lower levels), one of its effects is to help prepare the breast for milk production. However, the "weak" estriol oestrogen is rarely taken by transsexual women as part of their hormone therapy, instead standard oestrogen prescriptions are either of the estradiol (e.g. the Estrace brand) or estrone (e.g. the popular Premarin brand) types. Unfortunately, prolonged taking of large doses of these "strong" oestrogen types, as is common with transsexual women, seems to de-sensitise the body to estriol, making stimulating the breast to prepare for lactation via hormones much more difficult.
Assuming that the hormones have an effect, the period of the most visible breast growth is often during the first eight weeks of treatment. This enlargement is potentially just temporary as it's primarily due to engorgement of the blood vessels, enabling increased circulation to the breasts. Thereafter, oestrogen hormones stimulate cell mitosis and growth of the ductal system, the development and differentiation of the glandular tissue (lobules and alveoli) is dependent on progesterone, whilst breast fat accretion seems to require both.
Regarding the other hormones found in pregnant woman:
Some prolactin may be produced naturally by the woman's pituitary gland which is helpful but probably insufficient. Currently, there is no prolactin medication on the market but prolactin-inducing drugs are readily available and these can be taken to increase prolactin production to normal levels.
HPL is valuable aid to breast development and lactation, but it's not naturally produced in the body of a transsexual woman. Highly purified HPL is available but unfortunately it's hard to obtain, very expensive (a course would cost several hundred dollars a day), and is very rarely used as a medication.
MSH is not believed to be necessary and is unlikely to be present in a transsexual woman.
Mechanical Stimulation
If it not possible to take additional female hormones in order to stimulate the
breasts in to preparing for lactation, or if (as is commonly the case) the
hormones have no effect due to hyperplasic breasts, all is still not lost. This is
because prolactin and oxytocin, the hormones which govern lactation, are
pituitary, not ovarian (or "female") hormones. Both prolactin, the milk-making
hormone, and oxytocin, the milk-releasing hormone, are produced in response
to nipple stimulation.
Most genetic women and some men can induce lactation to some extent with
only mechanical stimulation. This consists of breast massage, nipple
manipulation, and sucking - the later either by a baby or by expressing using a
good quality electric breast pump with a double pump kit. Realistically
expression by hand, or even with a hand pump, is simply not a practical
alternative to an electric double breast pump given the frequent and prolonged
sucking required on each breast.
Hand-pumps are a very cheap
mechanical aid to help stimulate
lactation, but they are not suitable
for prolonged heavy use.
A possible expressing regime: Begin by expressing each breast for about five minutes, three times a
day. Increase the length of the pumping session as you become more comfortable, until you are expressing for a
total of about 15 to 20 minutes on each breast every two to three hours during the day. Expressing both breasts
simultaneously by double-pumping obviously saves a lot of time every day by this point! You must include night
time pumping sessions, allowing just one long 4-5 hours period of sleep.
Constant expressing will soon get to become hard work, when after a week you still haven't seen any milk at all,
try not to become discouraged or concerned, unfortunately it may well take four to six weeks for the breasts to
begin producing milk this way. Some dedicated women have reported only finally achieving some success after
two or three months pumping!
Stress, tension, and fatigue all produce hormones that can reduce let-down. Avoid smoking and excessive
alcohol and caffeine - these are known to inhibit a mother's milk production and let-down.
In order to pump effectively and increase milk supply it is essential to relax and stimulate as much as possible the
milk let-down response crucial to milk expression. Suitable mental or environmental stimuli such as baby
photo's, imagining yourself breast feeding, direct sucking stimulation of the nipples and immediately surrounding
tissue, playing a tape of the cries of a hungry baby, ... etc, are essential aids to milk production. And a partner
can greatly assist with sexually arousing mental stimulation and manual manipulation of the woman's body
before, and even during, her expression period.
Expression Routine
It is essential to establish a routine to both start and then maintain
lactation. For example begin by expressing each breast for about five
minutes, three times a day. Increase the length of the pumping session as
you become more comfortable, until you are expressing for a total of about 15
to 20 minutes on each breast every two to three hours during the
day. Expressing both breasts simultaneously by double-pumping obviously
saves a lot of time every day by this point! You must include night time
pumping sessions, allowing just one long 4-5 hours period of sleep.
Here are some tips to help both manual and mechanical expression:
1. Set up a regular milk expression schedule.
2. Allow enough time so you don't feel rushed.
3. Relax for 15 minutes before expressing, watch TV, listen to music,
enjoy the occasional glass of wine.
4. Try to minimize distractions - take the phone off the hook, etc.
5. Try to express milk in a familiar and comfortable setting - privacy and
comfortable seating promotes relaxation, which enhances let-down.
Expressing by Hand
Breast massage - place one hand
underneath your breast, the other
on top. Slide the palm of one or
both hands from the chest gently
towards the nipple and apply mild
pressure. Rotate your hands
around the breast and repeat in
order to reach all the milk ducts.
6. Follow a pre-expression routine: Use warmth to relax and stimulate milk flow by applying a warm
compress to your breasts for 5 minutes or putting a warm wrap around your
shoulders; relax with deep breathing and visualizations.
7. Encourage milk let-down by using an oxytocin nasal spray 2 or 3 minutes
before using the breast pump - costly but worth it.
8. Think about babies - look at pictures of a baby and imagine him at your
breast while you are expressing your milk. Play a tape of a hungry baby.
9. Before pumping stimulate your breasts and nipples through massage as
illustrated right.
10. While pumping help "push" the milk towards the nipple - place your thumb
opposite the fingers on either side of the areola (positioned as the pump
allows), then rhythmically press your hand in towards your chest, gently
squeezing the thumb and forefinger together. Rotate the fingers to get all the
milk ducts. With practice you can do both breasts simultaneously.
11. Interrupt your pumping several times to pause and massage your breasts more.
Achieving Milk Production in the Transsexual Woman
Lactogenesis
A genetic woman who's given birth also expels the hormone-producing placenta, and the oestrogen and
progesterone levels in her body suddenly drop. In a transsexual woman, ceasing an additional high oestrogen
and progesterone dosage that's been taken for several months will have the same affect if the hormones have
worked. Recognising that the "birth" has happened, the pituitary gland now signals the body to make lots of milk
in order to nourish the baby by increasing its output of the hormone prolactin, and the changes in hormone levels
thus cause milk production to begin. [Studies show that prolactin make a woman feel more "motherly", which is
why some experts call it the mothering hormone!]
At this point mechanical breast stimulation, particularly sucking
(with a breast pump or by a baby) should be started and an
oxytocin nasal spray used to stimulate milk release. If not
already begun a course of a prolactin enhancing drug such as
domperidone (brand name Motilium is highly recommended to
help milk production.
Success is not guaranteed, but some milk production can be
expected in a majority of cases. Milk production typically begins
between 1-4 weeks after initiating stimulation using prolactin
enhancing drugs, although it can be as little as 2-3 days if
hormones were taken and were effective, or as long as 4-6
weeks if relying purely on mechanical stimulation.
One study of induced lactation using enhancing medications
describes the onset of milk production being between 5-13
days. At first, the woman may see only drops. During the time
that milk production is building, women may notice changes in
the colour of the nipples and areolar tissue. Breasts may
become tender and fuller. Some women report increased thirst,
and changes in their menstrual cycle or libido.
As the body readies itself for lactation, it pumps extra blood into
the alveoli, making the breasts firm and full. Swollen blood
vessels, combined with an abundance of milk, may make the
breasts temporarily painful and engorged, but nursing or
expressing frequently in the first few days will help relieve any
discomfort.
Relative changes in some of a mothers
hormone levels in the days around child birth.
(The amount of a-lactalbumin in the mammary
tissue is an indicator of lactogenesis.)
Milk Release
Obviously the best and most natural way to enhance letdown
is by nursing a baby. As a baby sucks a nipple they
stimulate the nursing mother's pituitary gland to release
oxytocin (as well as prolactin) into her bloodstream. If a
baby is not handy, the let-down reflex can also be
encouraged by using an oxytocin nasal spray such as
Syntocinon which can be prescribed by a doctor.
When oxytocin reaches the breast it causes the tiny
muscles around the milk-filled alveoli to contract and
squeeze. The milk is emptied into the ducts, which
transport it to the milk pools just below the areola. When
s/he suckles, the nursing infant presses the milk from the
pools into his mouth, both manual and mechanical
expression techniques can simulate this to a reasonable
degree.
As the milk flow increases, the lactating woman may feel some
tingling, stinging, burning, or prickling in her breasts. The milk may
drip or even spray during let-down.
A benefit of oxytocin is that it the nursing woman may feel calm,
satisfied, and even joyful as she nurses or expresses.
Maintaining Lactation
In order to maintain production it is necessary to frequently stimulate
the milk-ejection reflex (MER) or "let-down" secretion, i.e. release
milk from the internal alveoli.
The volume of milk produced is primarily a function of demand and is
unaffected by maternal factors such as nutrition or age. Not a lot of
milk will be produced unless suckling (natural or artificial) is frequent
and consistent, the milk itself contains an inhibitor of milk production
that builds up if the milk remains in the mammary gland for a
prolonged period of time. Adequate milk removal from the breast is
absolutely necessary for continued milk production.
If nursing an infant is not immediately and regularly possible then in order to maintain milk flow it will be
necessary to artificially stimulate let-down by expression using a breast pump.
The more you nurse or express, the more milk that will be produced - nursing 10 to 15 minutes per breast every
2-3 hours (day and night!) is optimum! Expressing less than once every 5-8 hours, will result in dramatically less
milk production, although some milk production will continue so long as an infant is suckled or milk is expressed
at least twice per day. Less than that will result in complete cessation of milk production within one to three
weeks. But with sufficient and regular stimulation, it is quite possible to maintain lactation for months, even
years.
Two hormones are necessary for this continued production: oxytocin and prolactin. As mentioned above,
oxytocin is necessary for the milk ejection reflex that extrudes milk from the alveolar lumen. Prolactin is
necessary for continued milk production by the mammary alveoli. The secretion of both hormones is promoted
by the afferent nerve impulses sent to the hypothalamus by the process of suckling. However, whereas the
secretion of oxytocin is highly influenced by the activity of higher brain centres, prolactin secretion appears to be
determined primarily by the strength and duration of the suckling stimulus. Although prolactin levels fall with
prolonged lactation, at least some basal level appears to be necessary for continued milk production. There
appears to be no direct relation between prolactin levels and milk production and therefore it is thought that the
rate of milk production depends on control mechanisms localized within the mammary gland.
Breast Feeding by Transwomen
Achieving lactation is a challenge for MTF transsexuals but it is quite possible,
as indicated at the start of this article, for a transwoman to breast feed
babies. In 2010 the Oprah Winfrey programme featured Dr Christine McGinn -
the "Mum who fathered who own children". Christine is a lesbian MTF
transsexual woman, before SRS she had a sperm sample frozen and this was
used for an IVF procedure which happily resulted in her female partner giving
birth to twins. Christine was able to breastfeed to the babies, she says:
"A lot of women who adopt go through a regimen of hormones before they
have their child, and that enables them to breastfeed by the time they get
their child. So I just did the same protocol. It's basically simulating
pregnancy with hormones, and since I transitioned 10 years ago, I had
enough breast development where it was basically the identical situation."
Is it worth it?
That of course depends upon yourself and your objectives. Hundreds of hours
of effort, probably a considerable amount of money on pumps and drugs, and
an enormous amount of will power is a non-trivial investment. I've had people
email me to say that they have succeeded in getting fluid from their breasts, for
some that seems to have been their sole objective and it may be enough for
them. But in my mind, the lady in the newspaper article had the best objective
ever possible - to breast feed her own baby. And here's some inspiring words
from 29 year old XY, woman, newly married and with an adopted baby:
"[The baby] is wonderful and I was at his birth... I am breastfeeding him
through induced lactation. With what I pumped and stored in advance he had
only breast milk for one month.... now he has breast milk and formula. I feel
great and life is very calm and lovely these days. Things in my life are so
satisfying now. Now all I have to do is learn how to enjoy it!"
Additional Information
Breast Pumps
If you don't have a baby or young child to nurse then hiring or buying a good quality,
fully automated, electric breast pump that closely imitates the natural rate and rhythm of
a baby's suck pattern is essential in order to regularly artificially stimulate let-down and
express milk. Some automatic pumps can "double pump" (i.e. pump both breasts at
once) thereby increasing prolactin levels and milk production while at the same time
decreasing the amount of time a pumping session takes by about half to about 15
minutes.
Medela "Classic" pump
A hand operated breast pump may initially seem a very attractive alternative to an
electrical pump given that they can be bought for as little as $15, but it will usually
be a big mistake to rely on this. Hand pumping each breast in turn, 6 or 7 times a
day for 15 or 20 minutes, for perhaps several months is just not realistic for most
people, even the manufacturers of these pumps only recommend them for
occasional expression or relief.
A good quality electrical pump with a double pumping capability is simply
essential. The best option is a hospital grade breast pump such as the "large"
Medela (Classic) or the Ameda-Egnel Elite, unlike cheaper pumps these test and
regulate pressure; they cost perhaps $40-$50 a month to rent. If you have
problems finding a rental agent then try contacting the LeLeche League for help.
Medela Lactina
Transwoman Christine McGinn
with one of the twins she is
technically the father, but as a
mother was able to breastfeed.
If you want to actually buy your pump, then a popular high-end option is the
Medela Lactina at perhaps $500 (it can also often be rented for about $30-35 a
month), while one entry level option is the Medela Pump-in-Style for around
$300. Remember to get the double pump kit and accessories.
However it may be worth having a manual breast pump as well the electrical. The big advantage of a manual
pump is that being light and small it can be conveniently carried in your bag when you know that you will be
unable to meet a scheduled session on your electrical pump. If you are working, 30 minutes hidden in the toilets
at lunch time using a hand pump may be the only option if the alternative is going more than about 6 hours
without pumping. And a whole day without pumping might undo months of hard work and take you back to nearly
the beginning! Because hand-pumps are cheap, it's possible to buy a couple of different models and experiment
to find the one that is most comfortable, gives the best fit and suction to your breasts, is the most comfortable in
the hand, and is the least tiring to use.
Lactation Enhancing Drugs
Prolactin and oxytocin, the hormones which actually govern lactation, are pituitary, not ovarian hormones (such
as oestrogen). There are currently no human prolactin medications available, but Domperidone (brandname
Motilium) is a drug which has, as a side effect, the increased production of the hormone prolactin by the pituitary
gland, thus helping develop a more abundant milk supply faster as prolactin is the hormone which stimulates the
cells in the mother's breast to produce milk. Another related but older medication is metoclopramide
(brandnames Maxeran and Reglan), this is also known to increase milk production but it has frequent side effects
which have made its use for many nursing mothers unacceptable (fatigue, irritability, depression). But in general
Domperidone is much preferable; it has fewer side effects because it does not enter the brain tissue in significant
amounts.
Genetic women trying to start lactation are advised that prolactin enhancing drugs need only be started only after
the ending of any oestrogen treatment as oestrogen, particularly those types found in contraceptive pills, retard
the start of lactation. However many transsexual women seem to gain considerable benefits from the breast
developing effects of prolactin even if it's not initiating lactation because of their high oestrogen intake, and thus
should not be deterred from early use.
In many countries domperidone tablets are available without prescription. Generally, start at 20 milligram's (two
10 mg tablets) four times a day, i.e. about every 6 hours. After starting domperidone, it may take three or four
days before any effect is noticed, though sometimes women notice an effect within 24 hours. It appears to take
two to three weeks to get a maximum effect. Most women take the domperidone for 3 to 8 weeks, but women
who are nursing adopted babies usually take the drug continuously in order to maintain lactation.
Unfortunately Motilium is not yet available in the USA so domperidone may have to be used instead - usually just
for 4 weeks rather than continuously. Also, in rare cases Motilum may cause stomach or digestive upsets and so
domperidone may be preferred.
Some women find that herbal seed capsules such Blessed Thistle and Fenugreek help increase their lactation,
and these are very commonly taken.
Hormone Regimen
I have been repeatedly asked for typical regimen for hormonal stimulation of the breast for lactation. I am not a
medical practitioner, and there are many factors that must be taken in to account when determining the best
regime and these must all be discussed with your doctor. As an example only, and derived from just limited
evidence, the following daily regimen may be appropriate for a post-SRS woman under 40 years:
1 x Cyclogest 400 pessary from Cox Pharmaceuticals, containing 400mg Progesterone PhEur, daily
1 x Duphaston tablet from Solvat Pharmaceuticals, containing 10mg Dydrogesterone, twice daily
1 x Premarin tablet from Wyeth-Ayerst, containing 1.25mg Conjugated Estrogens, twice daily
1 or 2 or 3 Ovestin tablets from Organon, each containing 1 mg Estriol, 4 times daily (i.e. about every 6 hours)
1 or 2 or 3 Motilium tablets from Janssen, each containing 10 mg domperidone maleate, 4 times daily
A Syntocinon nasal spray from Sandoz Pharmaceuticals, containing oxytocin (use just before pumping or
nursing to help elicit milk let-down)
also, 1 x 150mg Aspirin tablet, daily
Notes:
1. The regimen should be followed for at least 3 months, preferably 6 months, but no more than 9 months
before attempted lactogensis.
2. The dosage of Ovestin and Motilium should be doubled to 2 tablets half way through the regimen.
3. The dosage of Ovestin and Motilium should be increased again to 3 tablets three days before attempted
lactogensis.
4. Premarin is just one possible oestrogen, if in any doubt stick with your normal oestrogen proscription
instead of Premarin, but add Ovestin or similar. The Premarin/Ovestin combination would be very unlikely
if the woman has already been taking Premarin for a prolonged period. There is some anecdotal
evidence that an Estradiol Valerate (e.g. Progynon-Depot from Schering) delivered by intramuscular
injection may be an effective alternative to Premarin.
5. For a pre-SRS woman the dosages may need be much higher.
6. Syntocinon and other oxytocin nasal spays may not be currently available in the USA.
7. Motilium may not be available in the USA.
8. Ideally HPL should also be taken, but this is usually impractical as well as very costly.
Some "morning sickness" and nausea is very probable at first, if more severe side effects are experienced then
medical help should be sought immediately. Long term use of such high dosage levels should be avoided, and if
it's clear that no beneficial effects are occurring within 6-8 weeks then the regimen should be abandoned and the
previous hormone regimen reverted to.
"Attempted lactogensis" means reverting to the prior hormonal regimen in order stimulate the start of milk
production and lactation, this must involve a considerable reduction in oestrogen and progesterone hormone
intake, in pre-SRS women it may actually require a reduction to less than their normal regimen. If a baby is to be
nursed then medical advice should be sought as to what hormones can still be safely taken and in what dosage,
and any anti-androgens being taken must be stopped. Prolactin-enhancing drugs should continue to be taken,
e.g. 2 Motilium tablets every 6 hours, each containing 10 mg domperidone maleate.
Antiandrogens may also be helpful to a pre-SRS transsexual women trying to induce lactation, although they
should never be taken by a pregnant woman, or subsequently if breast feeding. The most commonly used
antiandrogens are spironolactone (brand name Aldactone), flutamide (Eulexin) and cyproterone acetate
(Androcur). Spironolactone, in a dosage of 25 to 100 mg administered twice daily, is the most commonly used
antiandrogen because of its safety, availability and low cost. Flutamide is usually given in a dosage of 250 mg
twice daily, and cyproterone is given in a dosage of 25 to 50 mg per day. Pre-SRS women may well already be
taking much higher dosages of antiandrogens and these should not be increased - indeed in some cases it may
be advisable to change the drug or reduce the dosage to the levels given here.
Nutritional Value of Induced Milk
Milk released by a mother during the first few days of lactation after giving birth is called colostrum; it is richer in
proteins, minerals, and immunoglobulins and is lower in calories and fat than the mature milk that develops over
the following few weeks. The level of fats, lactose, and B vitamins gradually increases in breast milk during the
first month of lactation. Mature breast milk is rich in the mother's white blood cells and hormones and substances
such as immunoglobulins, which protect the infant against bacteria and other infectious agents.
Using a SNS
The milk brought in by inducement skips the colostral phase, instead it more
closely resembles transitional and mature breast milk. It is thus not ideal for
new-born babies, but studies of non-maternal women nursing after induced
lactation indicate that that their infants are well-nourished. However, it must be
noted that many women felt they were only providing about 50-70% of the
nutrition their babies needed with breast milk alone. If a transsexual woman is
nursing it is therefore also very likely that she will be able to produce only a
portion of the breast milk the baby needs, and it will be necessary to boost the
baby's milk intake with formula. For this a Supplemental Nursing System (SNS)
is valuable alternative to the traditional bottle. The device consists of a plastic
pouch to hold breast milk or formula and attached thin, flexible tubes that run
down each breast to the nipple. Since the baby takes both nipple and tube into
his mouth when he suckles, he benefits from all the breast milk that is available.
Nursing
The female hormones taken by transsexual women induce breast development ranging from the slight to
full. Typically their breasts are smaller than genetic women and about 50% of transsexual women have breast
augmentations. However even very small breasts - particularly those of women who begin hormones before their
30's - can often function as nature intended, i.e. feed a baby.
Once the baby is born, the transsexual mother may well be able to experience the final physical act of pregnancy
and birth and attempt to nurse her new baby - albeit with many assumptions such as being well enough after the
delivery and her breasts are adequately developed and haven't been badly damaged by augmentation. There
are already a few instances of transsexual women lactating and even breast feeding the babies of ex-wives or
female partners.
Breastfeeding normally strongly recommended by doctors, it is by far and away the best and most convenient
way to feed a baby. Not only will the baby be healthier, but it also helps the new mother lose weight more
easily. Calories are burned during milk production; indeed some of the weight gained by a woman during
pregnancy is intended to be used during lactation.
Breastfeeding also releases a hormone in the woman's body that acts as a natural tranquillizer, filling the mother
with a sense of calm and well-being while she is breastfeeding.
Breast augmentation, common in transsexual women, does not normally prevent breast feeding. The main
reason that breastfeeding may not be recommended or encouraged by the physician is if the drugs and other
hormones being taken by the mother may make the milk unsuitable for nursing.
It's very probable that the pregnancy and birth, and the associated hormone levels, will in itself be enough to
induce lactation in the mother.
Summary
Inducing and maintaining lactation requires:
1. During the pseudo pregnancy a high level of oestrogen intake must be
maintained for at least 6 months. Progesterone should also be taken as it
plays a significant role in the development of lactating tissue (glands and
ducts).
2. After the nominal birth, oestrogen levels must drop dramatically to 'normal'
levels'. In most transwomen this will kick the pituitary gland into releasing
enough prolactin (the milk-producing hormone) to start some lactation.
3. Assuming that lactating tissue has developed and the milk comes in, it is then necessary to frequently
nurse (or simulate nursing using a breast pump) in order to stimulate the milk "let-down" secretion (milk
ejection) reflex - this is actually caused by the pituitary gland producing yet another hormone, oxytocin.
4. Maximum milk production requires regular suckling or pumping every 2-3 hours. Stimulation only every
5-8 hours will result in dramatically less milk production. Stimulation less frequent than that will result in
the complete cessation of milk production some 1-3 weeks after it started.
5. If actual nursing of a baby is not immediately and regularly possible then in order to maintain milk flow it
will be necessary to artificially encourage let-down, for example by: relaxing with a baby doll; hearing or
thinking of a baby being hungry; stimulation of the nipples and immediately surrounding tissue.
Useful Links
Good information on lactation and breast feeding can be found at the BabyCenter and the International
Lactation Consultant Association
La Leche League International publishes the useful booklet "Nursing the Adopted Baby"
Information on lactation inducement can be found at The Adoptive Breastfeeding Resource Website
(22-06-2017, 01:20 AM)microstring Wrote:
(13-05-2017, 08:59 AM)tvangela53 Wrote: Hi all. Some advice from you lovely people would be much appreciated. I am a 60r old male on hormones to develop my breasts. I was taking Premarin for 14 months but moved to Estrofem (2mg) daily I now have a 38b/c fairly pert pair. I intend to continue and am trying do d/dd+ I love the feel and femininity of them and if I were younger I would try to go through full transition. I have been on a strict diet since 1st Jan and have lost 56lbs. Luckily my boobs have not been affected. I am now moving up a gear and am going to try to lactate, I have ordered Motilium from the US and massage my breasts with Progesterone Cream I also use a breast pump my nipples and areola seem to be increasing in size.
My questions are…. 1) Is there anything else I can do to increase the chances of Lactation? 2) Is there anywhere I can get progesterone other than as a cream as the creams are very weak in strength. Brand names appreciated Finally, can anyone please tell me how to add more than 1 photo to my post?
I will try to keep everyone updated with photos etc (if I can manage to load them) Thank you…
Hi Angela,
Did you induce lactation? I share the same obsession. It's really difficult ...
This link does not work:http://www.secondtype.info/lactation.htm
BRAVO for this explanation. We would like to have a detailed protocol to successfully breastfeed for transsexual. Doctors are not cooperative on this.
Well I is some months since I started my lactation experiment. I have ditched all the "witch doctor" herbal stuff (PM, Fenugreek, BO etc etc) as frankly for me they were rubbish and did no good at all. I started taking Domperidone 40mg 3 times a day and within 2 weeks I could squeeze milk from my nipples. Sadly My supplier went bust and I had to find a new one I now use In House Pharmacy. When I ran out the milk was just starting to squirt from both breasts but quickly stopped. Now I have a good supply again and now a good supply of milk. I can pump around 2 ozs from each breast daily. I am now back on Zumeon and Provera in an attempt to make the bigger and more productive these have slowed down the production a little but it will be worth it in the long run as the Progesterone is developing the milk duct even more. Not sure if Ii am allowed to post picture of my milky breasts so will wait a little longer till I experience proper "let down" All I can tell everyone is that Domperidone works for me and from In House it is cheap (no I do not work for them)
(09-03-2020, 07:02 PM)tvangela53 Wrote: Well I is some months since I started my lactation experiment. I have ditched all the "witch doctor" herbal stuff (PM, Fenugreek, BO etc etc) as frankly for me they were rubbish and did no good at all. I started taking Domperidone 40mg 3 times a day and within 2 weeks I could squeeze milk from my nipples. Sadly My supplier went bust and I had to find a new one I now use In House Pharmacy. When I ran out the milk was just starting to squirt from both breasts but quickly stopped. Now I have a good supply again and now a good supply of milk. I can pump around 2 ozs from each breast daily. I am now back on Zumeon and Provera in an attempt to make the bigger and more productive these have slowed down the production a little but it will be worth it in the long run as the Progesterone is developing the milk duct even more. Not sure if Ii am allowed to post picture of my milky breasts so will wait a little longer till I experience proper "let down" All I can tell everyone is that Domperidone works for me and from In House it is cheap (no I do not work for them)
But, I would demand a percentage of anyone off this board .
(13-05-2017, 08:59 AM)tvangela53 Wrote: Hi all. Some advice from you lovely people would be much appreciated. I am a 60r old male on hormones to develop my breasts. I was taking Premarin for 14 months but moved to Estrofem (2mg) daily I now have a 38b/c fairly pert pair. I intend to continue and am trying do d/dd+ I love the feel and femininity of them and if I were younger I would try to go through full transition. I have been on a strict diet since 1st Jan and have lost 56lbs. Luckily my boobs have not been affected. I am now moving up a gear and am going to try to lactate, I have ordered Motilium from the US and massage my breasts with Progesterone Cream I also use a breast pump my nipples and areola seem to be increasing in size.
My questions are…. 1) Is there anything else I can do to increase the chances of Lactation? 2) Is there anywhere I can get progesterone other than as a cream as the creams are very weak in strength. Brand names appreciated Finally, can anyone please tell me how to add more than 1 photo to my post?
I will try to keep everyone updated with photos etc (if I can manage to load them) Thank you…
Wow Angela, very nice breasts! Is that only from hormones or did you use another method beforehand? Cheers!
Jenna
Hi Jenna For me all the "Witch Doctor" Herbs PM / DO Fenugreek etc did nothing the great thisng about hormaones is that after about 6 months you body adapts and enter the "aromatase" stage and actually converts Testosterone into Estrogen so they carry on growing Now I am using Domperidone the milk is flowing freely and I can actually squirt milk!
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