[HandofFate]

I have a 38" boney underbust, It will never look born female without big natural breasts. Never.

Implants look fake on wide chests and they only last 3 years.

[Phanatic]

Sorry to hear about your struggle, HoF.

Sounds like you are predisposed towards being very lean, have you considered volufiline cream for the breasts and hips? Over time it increases the amount of fat cells you have in the area you apply it.

For what it's worth I think long legs and a lean body is very attractive.

[Lotus]

Hi again, 

If you haven't been seen by a health care provider specializing in transgender care I'd recommend seeing one...and completing necessary lab work to determine baseline levels. If you've already seen a health care provider and gotten nowhere with them, find someone else. Honestly, imho the WPATH standard is archaic...I did the standard WPATH care (E2 + spiro + finasteride) and it made me feel miserable. 

Spiro should initially be given for up to 6 month, it comes with many side effects and it also has poor breast outcomes. As a matter of fact the incidence of MTF seeking breast augmentation from using spiro is around 60-70%. Finasteride is a neurosteroid and can cause depression. There's something called finasteride syndrome that once users (of fin) go off the medication it takes months to feel normal. 

My experience of trans care has been shoddy at best. I've faced just about every roadblock one can face for gender care, even at present I'm struggling to get the best care. I see a new health care team next week to monitor my transition. I've done the DIY route, basically got fed up dealing with gatekeeping doctors. It's hard finding good trans care for some people...then again some get lucky and find a stellar doctor who isn't afraid to step out the standard orthodoxy of archaic health care. 

 For me, my goal of getting the appropriate HRT meds should be as follows:

IM (intramuscular injection) of E2 (estradiol)
Micronized progesterone
Low dose Transdermal E2
No anti-androgens needed (Orchiectomy in August of 21)

The dosages will be determined between my doctor and myself based on lab work. After 7 years of being on HRT I know what amounts get me to the therapeutic level I want to achieve. 

HandofFate, I would encourage you to review this study below. And the reason I listed this study is from the fact everyone metabolizes differently. As an ectomorph your needs might be unique as to others, meaning you might need more or less than the typical HRT meds. However, lab work can only determine those needs. Doing the standard lab tests of Testosterone + Estradiol + SHBG doesn't identify all the underlying conditions of why hormones don't reach minimum standard reference ranges. I will list the labs needed if so desired. My advice is simple, don't let the lack of progress defeat you, you've put all this time into pursuing a certain goal, why throw in the towel now?. 


Achieving Physiologic 17-ẞ-Estradiol Levels in Transgender Females on Estradiol Transdermal Patches and Optimal DosingAchieving Physiologic 17-ẞ-Estradiol Levels in Transgender Females on Estradiol Transdermal Patches and Optimal Dosing
https://academic.oup.com/jes/article/5/S...87/6241193

Thank you Nipply and Phanatic for your advice. 

[HandofFate]

Yes I have used several creams with volufiline and Zhi mu extract with noogleberry.

I don't want to be attractive. I need everyone on the planet to think I'm born female thanks.

[HandofFate]

I have tried everything but patches, I had to self med the transdermal progesterone and estradiol.

My doctor usually does everything I ask of him. The problem is you get D cups right away and I get NOTHING.

So why would you complain? My blood tests have always been good, except when I did oral estradiol alone, without being addition to injectable estradiol.

I am currently taking 10mg ev/week, 50mg bicalutamide, and 200mg rectal progesterone cycled.

With MSM powder, vitamind D3+K2,boron,low dose aspirin,Omega 3-6-9, have cycled red reishi.

[Drew]

I didnt want to go on this thread as I'm embarrassed.
When I went on pm and other stuff it took a while but I got to a very heavy and bouncy C cup verging on a D cup....fantastic! But I was a bit fat.
I now am very dangerously underweight as I have developed an eating disorder and I only just fill my B cup bras, it's all gone, all of it. We can dream of being huge and bouncy but honestly why not just be petite with a nicely formed body. To grow a pair I think needs fat intake......I'm probably way off now as I do everything wrong anyway it seems.

[Nipply Russel]

I didnt want to go on this thread as I'm embarrassed.

I don't think anything we can say is going to help this person. I feel bad for them. They're frustrated, and they wanted to come here to vent. I think implants are the best solution (yes, I know, 'I can't afford them', etc. etc.).

[HandofFate]

Implants look fake on male chests. I can always spot them. They look disgusting. I need natural breasts that sag down and cover my man chest so people think I'm born female.

[Lotus]

So why would you complain? 

Our last conversation (via pm) was in march ('21), I haven't heard from you since...don't be rude. I don't mind you addressing your concerns here but it sure looks like you'd rather vent.

The problem is you get D cups right away and I get NOTHING.

Honestly I feel bad for you, but I'm not the enemy here. In the past 3 years you've been on HRT have you ever discussed your frustrations with your doctor?...or even in Dr. Powers sub reddit? If you've had a conversation with your doctor I'd be interested in what his recommendations were. I do think it's worthwhile to see a therapist while on HRT, and usually most HRT healthcare providers insist on this course when starting HR, and continued counseling throughout one's HRT journey, or as needed.

You should've seen something happening in the first 6 months of starting HRT, whether it was feminization and/or breast growth...and apparently nothing happened. My thoughts are that for every 6 months without ANY results one has to reevaluate the program. The labs I'd ask for are as follows:

Total T 
Free T
Estradiol 
Free E2
SHBG 
DHT
LH
FSH
Prolactin 
Progesterone 
DHEA
Cortisol 

Additionally CBC (Complete Blood Count)

If you would, please post any recent labs. Look up Oki's program, she's tall and developed nicely. 

Anyone embarking on NBE/HRT should understand that the upkeep of breasts doesn't end with achieving one's goal, they'll need to be maintained for the rest of their life. Granted HandofFate, you just want the chance to realize that first step. Keep in mind, the male chest is wide to start off with, even D cup's won't hide that fact. 


Thanks Drew and Nipply for offering advice. 

[HandofFate]

My doctor has changed up my dosage and added real progesterone, and also increased that dose to 200mg.

I have seen a gender therapist they are extremely expensive and do nothing.

crazy how D cups don't look tiny on your chest, I need cleavage and for them to cover my chest like yours.

I have not had a recent blood test, my last one was still good, T is suppressed, Estradiol is over 200 pg/ml at trough so my dose was raised.

Have not had my DHT tested, I am on bicalutamide which is supposed to block DHT. I have also cycled red reishi because it's poison if you don't cycle it.

I have been trying every NBE method on this site, I have read all your posts.

I just think god made some people men and we aren't meant to look female and grow breasts, while people like you are made to grow breasts and any method will make your chest grow.