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* 16-hydroxyestrone oh dear it sounds mean

=s better be careful with wild ya

* β-Sitosterol is one of several phytosterols (plant sterols) with chemical structures similar to that of cholesterol.



*!"I would stay away from nettle root, it lowers prolactin and raises T, however it also raise E, crazy!!. ...!.....oh so it raises E and T? but with amo it might be okei


Lol, it was from a rebirth thing so to speak, the lotus retracts into the water at the night and emerges fresh in the sun the next day, also the blue lotus flower is associated with a victory of the spirit over that of wisdom, intelligence and knowledge. Rolleyes Wink I know blah blah, lol.
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ohhohohoho ;D you seem too coy oh WISE one ......meh name is just ......I want melons fast so I'm gonna rocket them from mangoes to melons xD

okie think I'm getting it through
OKIE FREE T good in small amounts along as it is with the enzyme amo is GOOD right?
Do women have less free T than men ? or would women more likely to need to increase free T than men .....but increasing T is good to for health and hormonal balance ..is only dHt that needs to be blocked if nbe'ing ...........
.so FREE T = GOOD normal T levels = GOOD monitored DHT levels = GOOD
good?

the bean lowers prolactin so confused http://www.redalyc.org/articulo.oa?id=93911288007

"Mucuna pruriens may help to Boost Testosterone and Human Growth Hormone ... supports muscle function, increases milk production in lactating women,"
I thought it was the perfect bean for me ='( -sniff sniff -
you sure it lowers prolactin did they get it right?

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so high LH levels and high estrogen allow normal T levels with out growing a mustache ?.....well I'll better sell meh new Mexican hat then won't need it now eh? haha jk (=

It does seem like LH raises testosterone without raising negative feedback. The correlation between high levels of LH and high estrogen may mean the body aromatases a lot of it on its own. Perhaps by taking more aromatase herbs, more of this is converted into estrogen, than DHT. so DHT must be needed, but excessive body hair may mean there is more than enough DHT. That picture really simplifies a lot of what this thread is about testosterone conversion to DHT or estrogen.
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(15-07-2014, 07:39 PM)rocketmelon Wrote:  wild yαm contαins these ...........
16α-hydroxyestrone blocker
β-sitosterol ?
according to that above it blocks 16α-hydroxyestrone.
Reducing reductase is also important to lower DHT.
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the bean also helps with dopa or some sort of neron thing
lol
could that be why theres convfusion over prolactin? the chemistry lowers prolactin but the dopa in the bean when consumed helps it......

I deserve a gold star for my first pass grade in boob-ology xD jk
I've been looking through yours and lovely11 threads I'm very right brained
you know ! I'm an artist and a poet meh math and science is petty and pathetic xD .......you should both add in a dumbed down version haha (;
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(15-07-2014, 11:27 PM)rocketmelon Wrote:  * 16-hydroxyestrone oh dear it sounds mean

=s better be careful with wild ya

* β-Sitosterol is one of several phytosterols (plant sterols) with chemical structures similar to that of cholesterol.



*!"I would stay away from nettle root, it lowers prolactin and raises T, however it also raise E, crazy!!. ...!.....oh so it raises E and T? but with amo it might be okei


Lol, it was from a rebirth thing so to speak, the lotus retracts into the water at the night and emerges fresh in the sun the next day, also the blue lotus flower is associated with a victory of the spirit over that of wisdom, intelligence and knowledge. Rolleyes Wink I know blah blah, lol.


ohhohohoho ;D you seem too coy oh WISE one ......meh name is just ......I want melons fast so I'm gonna rocket them from mangoes to melons xD

okie think I'm getting it through
OKIE FREE T good in small amounts along as it is with the enzyme amo is GOOD right?
Do women have less free T than men ? or would women more likely to need to increase free T than men .....but increasing T is good to for health and hormonal balance ..is only dHt that needs to be blocked if nbe'ing ...........
.so FREE T = GOOD normal T levels = GOOD monitored DHT levels = GOOD
good?

the bean lowers prolactin so confused http://www.redalyc.org/articulo.oa?id=93911288007

"Mucuna pruriens may help to Boost Testosterone and Human Growth Hormone ... supports muscle function, increases milk production in lactating women,"
I thought it was the perfect bean for me ='( -sniff sniff -
you sure it lowers prolactin did they get it right?


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(15-07-2014, 11:27 PM)rocketmelon Wrote:  OKIE FREE T good in small amounts along as it is with the enzyme amo is GOOD right?

yes, it's ok.

(15-07-2014, 11:27 PM)rocketmelon Wrote:  Do women have less free T than men ? or would women more likely to need to increase free T than men ...

Yes, women produce about 20x less T then men, just like men have E in their body fat, women have T in theirs. Those crazy body and facial hairs seen are a result of DHT, at least that's what your body is telling you. For guys the tell tale signs of DHT comes in a few ways, facial hair, aggression, along with a few others.

(15-07-2014, 11:27 PM)rocketmelon Wrote:  you sure it lowers prolactin did they get it right?

See Page 4 of 6, it states no difference to the yield was seen:

   
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You may have seen this, but thought I'd post it anyway:

Conclusions: High levels of circulating testosterone and low levels of SHBG—both within normal endogenous ranges—are associated with increased risks of prostate cancer. Low levels of circulating estradiol may represent an additional risk factor. Circulating levels of DHT and AAG do not appear to be strongly related to prostate cancer risk. [J Natl Cancer Inst 1996;88:1118–26]

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/88/16/1118.short

I thought I had seen the opposite conclusion somewhere, that high levels of estradiol were associated with prostate cancer, but this indicates the opposite to be true.
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There is also this, identifying prostate cancer risk factors related to high "bioavailable" SHBG (and low T):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23181478

I would like to understand better the relationship between elevated levels of SHBG and estradiol and prostate cancer risks.
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(16-07-2014, 12:23 PM)spanky Wrote:  You may have seen this, but thought I'd post it anyway:

Conclusions: High levels of circulating testosterone and low levels of SHBG—both within normal endogenous ranges—are associated with increased risks of prostate cancer. Low levels of circulating estradiol may represent an additional risk factor. Circulating levels of DHT and AAG do not appear to be strongly related to prostate cancer risk. [J Natl Cancer Inst 1996;88:1118–26]

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/88/16/1118.short

I thought I had seen the opposite conclusion somewhere, that high levels of estradiol were associated with prostate cancer, but this indicates the opposite to be true.

Hi spanky,

I'll do the best I can explaining what I've found and have come to understand myself, Wink it will be broken up over 2-3 posts. (Sorry)

Does a man's estrogen level impact his risk of prostate cancer?

A high level of one type of estrogen in a man's body might increase his risk of developing prostate cancer. That is one surprising conclusion from a new study which also offers another novel finding -- that high levels of the estrogen considered fuel for breast cancer might offer a protective benefit against prostate cancer.


Details of the research were recently presented at the AACR 101st Annual Meeting 2010.
The health of the prostate has long been considered dependent on the level of the male hormones collectively known as androgens however, it is now recognized that estrogens and their metabolites (estrogen broken down by chemical processes in the body) play a role in its normal growth as well as in prostate cancer.

"The aim of our study was to evaluate the use of estrogen metabolites, as a marker for prostate cancer risk," says Ourania Kosti, PhD, at Georgetown Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center.


For the study, the researchers measured estrogens and their metabolites in the urine collected from 77 men with prostate cancer, 77 healthy controls and 37 men that underwent biopsy and but were diagnosed cancer-free.

The relative amounts of the 15 estrogens and estrogen metabolites in the urine of prostate cancer cases were similar to that of non-cancer patients with the exception of the estrogen metabolite 4-OHE1.

"This particular estrogen metabolite appeared to be more abundant among men diagnosed with prostate cancer," explains Kosti.
Kosti says her team also observed that the estrogen metabolites considered as 'harmful' estrogens in breast cancer (16-KE2 and 17-epiE3) are secreted in higher amounts among those without prostate cancer and in lower amounts in those with prostate cancer.

"This suggests that these particular estrogens may have a protective role against prostate cancer development," explains Kosti. "It is possible that different tissues respond to estrogens different ways, therefore the potential role of 16-KE2 and 17-epiE3 in prostate cancer prevention and management should be further explored."


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/201...150813.htm


What The Published Literature Says About Testosterone and Prostate Cancer
Excerpts from 23 studies indicating that testosterone does not cause prostate cancer
http://www.encognitive.com/node/12962
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(16-07-2014, 12:57 PM)spanky Wrote:  There is also this, identifying prostate cancer risk factors related to high "bioavailable" SHBG (and low T):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23181478

I would like to understand better the relationship between elevated levels of SHBG and estradiol and prostate cancer risks.

Understanding how and why they test for SHBG:

The test for sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) is primarily ordered in conjunction with other tests to evaluate the status of a person's androgen levels - the male hormones. With men, the issue of concern is testosterone deficiency, while with women the concern is excess testosterone production. A total testosterone may be ordered prior to or along with a SHBG test.

SHBG and testosterone levels may be ordered on an adult male to help determine the cause of infertility, a decreased sex drive, and erectile dysfunction, especially when total testosterone results are inconsistent with clinical signs.

In women, small amounts of testosterone are produced by the ovaries and adrenal glands. Even slight increases in testosterone production can disrupt the balance of hormones and cause symptoms such as lack of menstruation (amenorrhea), infertility, acne, and male pattern hair growth (hirsutism). These symptoms and others are often seen with polycystic ovarian syndrome, a condition characterized by an excess production of androgens. SHBG and testosterone testing may be useful in helping to detect and evaluate excess testosterone production and/or decreased SHBG concentrations.

Testing for free testosterone, albumin level, and one or more other sex hormones, such as prolactin, estradiol, and LH (lutenizing hormone), may also be performed to evaluate a person's existing balance of hormones.

Sometimes, a total testosterone and SHBG are ordered to evaluate free androgens by calculating the Free Androgen Index (FAI). This equation gives doctors an idea of the quantity of testosterone that is not bound (bioavailable testosterone) to SHBG and is calculated as follows: FAI = Total Testosterone / SHBG. In males, a fall in testosterone causes a rise in SHBG, so an FAI or another measure (bioavailable testosterone) is often ordered to detect low levels of free testosterone, which may cause decreased sex drive, loss of muscle mass, decreased bone mass, or occasionally problems with having erections (erectile dysfunction). An elevated FAI may be useful in the evaluation of androgenic alopecia (balding), hirsutism, and severe acne where testosterone levels may be normal.


When is it ordered?
Currently, the SHBG test is not performed frequently or routinely. In many cases, doctors feel that the total testosterone, and perhaps free testosterone, provides sufficient information. SHBG is ordered primarily when the total testosterone results do not seem to be consistent with clinical signs, such as decreased sex drive in men or hirsutism in women.

What does the test result mean?


When the SHBG level is increased beyond what is expected, there is likely to be less free testosterone available to the tissues than is indicated by the total testosterone. If the SHBG concentration is decreased, more of the total testosterone is "bioavailable" - not bound to SHBG. This information may be important in the overall evaluation of an individual with signs and symptoms of a condition related to excess or deficient sex hormone production.

Increased levels may be seen in:

Liver disease
Hyperthyroidism
Eating disorders (anorexia)
Estrogen use (hormone replacement therapy and oral contraceptives)
Decreased sex hormone production (hypogonadism)
Decreases in SHBG are seen with:

Obesity
Polycystic ovarian syndrome
Hypothyroidism
Hirsutism
Androgen (steroid) use
Acne
Cushing disease

Is there anything else I should know?
SHBG concentrations are normally high in children of both sexes. After puberty, SHBG levels decrease more rapidly in males than in females. Levels are normally stable in adults and then begin to increase in the elderly male at the same time that total testosterone levels begin to decrease. In postmenopausal women, SHBG, testosterone, and estrogen concentrations decrease as hormone production by the ovaries tapers off.

Testing for bioavailable testosterone is becoming an increasingly important concept to both doctors and researchers. It may be measured by removing the SHBG-bound testosterone from the collected blood sample and then analyzing what’s left. An estimate can also be calculated using the Free Androgen Index (see above).
http://labtestsonline.org/understanding/.../shbg/tab/
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SHBG: The Master Regulator for Testosterone and Estrogen

SHBG is a protein produced primarily in the liver, although the testes, uterus, brain, and placenta also synthesize it. It serves as a transport carrier, shuttling estrogen and testosterone to sex hormone receptors throughout your body.11,12 SHBG also safeguards these vital hormones from degrading too rapidly and prevents their clearance from the body.

It thus acts as the master regulator of your sex hormone levels, maintaining the delicate balance between estrogen and testosterone critical to overall health in aging humans.

New evidence further indicates that the SHBG molecule itself plays another key role in the body: conveying essential signals to the heart, the brain, and adipose (fat) tissue that ensure their optimal function.13 There’s even a special SHBG receptor molecule on cell surfaces that functions much like the ubiquitous vitamin D receptor protein, helping cells communicate with one another.14,15 In other words, SHBG itself functions much like a hormone.

Knowing your SHBG levels, along with testosterone and estrogen, thus gives you and your doctor a more precise picture of your overall health—and enables you to take preventive measures against life-threatening conditions for which you may be at greater risk.

Aging Humans and Increasing SHBG: An Overlooked Threat

As you age, SHBG levels may steadily rise, even though your production of sex hormones continues to decline.8,16 The result? SHGB binds to what few sex hormones you have remaining and reduces their bioavailability to cells in your body.

With elevated SHBG in the blood, too much testosterone may be sequestered and thus functionally unavailable to healthy tissues. Because testing for SHBG is largely overlooked, many older men (and their doctors) may be led to believe through standard testing that they have “normal” total testosterone levels—but since most of it may be bound to elevated levels of SHBG, in actuality they may be testosterone deficient.16

Why? Testosterone, like all steroid hormones, is derived from cholesterol, a fat molecule.16 Fats don’t dissolve in water, so the amount of testosterone floating freely in your bloodstream is small (about 0.5-2% of the total amount).16,17 Most of the circulating testosterone in your blood is either bound to the protein albumin or to SHBG.18-20

It is the combination of free and albumin-bound testosterone that ultimately determines your bio-available testosterone status.16,21-24

As a result of imprecise testosterone measurement, aging men may experience signs of feminization as their increased SHBG binds testosterone, preventing testosterone from exerting its effects and leaving estrogen’s physiological impact on the male physiology unchecked.16 These may include gynecomastia (the development of fatty breast tissue in men), diminished libido and poor sexual performance, cognitive decline, and chronic fatigue.

Combating Metabolic Syndrome

While excess SHBG creates problems with sex hormone balance, having SHBG levels that are too low is associated with other disorders. Nowhere is the impact of low SHBG so profound as in the cluster of conditions known as the metabolic syndrome, which encompasses obesity, insulin resistance, lipid abnormalities, and chronic high blood pressure.9

In men, low total testosterone and low SHBG are predictors for a higher incidence of metabolic syndrome and many of its components.9,25-29

In late postmenopausal women, low SHBG and high estrogen levels correlate with the inflammatory state associated with metabolic syndrome.30 SHBG abnormalities have also been linked to an increased risk of acne, infertility, polycystic ovary syndrome, and uterine cancer in overweight women.6,31-33

The high insulin levels found in people stricken with metabolic syndrome have also been shown to suppress SHBG, creating a vicious cycle of abnormal SHBG activity.34,35

The good news is that testosterone supplementation for men, and bioidentical hormone replacement for women, may safely and effectively reverse many of these adverse, age-related metabolic changes.36,37 Obtaining accurate measurement of sex hormone levels through SHBG blood testing thus enables you and your doctor to prevent or combat common medical disorders.

Low SHBG Is a Key Marker of Cardiovascular Disease

SHBG levels have an important relationship with nearly every biomarker of cardiovascular disease, from C-reactive protein (CRP) to arterial calcification.38,39 Low SHBG is also associated with elevated triglycerides and low-density lipoprotein (LDL).40

Calcification of blood vessels, an early finding in cardiovascular disease, is also associated with lower SHBG levels, especially in women.10,38 Low SHBG in women is associated with higher levels of C-reactive protein (CRP), an important marker of inflammation and cardiovascular risk.39 In men, low SHBG indicated an increased risk of death from cardiovascular disease.35 In both men and women, low SHBG levels are strongly correlated with obesity.41

SHBG, alone and in the context of specific sex hormone levels, thus constitutes an integral predictor of a major chronic age-related condition. Some experts are now recommending SHBG measurements as another means of evaluating cardiovascular and metabolic risk.42

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2011/may2...tus_01.htm
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