[Candace]

(By the way, the term is "antagonists" or "inhibitors", not "chemical constituents".)

constituent
a part of the whole; component.

(an essential part : component, element)

You wrote "chemical constituents for 5 ar", which doesn't make sense. You should have written "chemical constituents that inhibit 5-AR", or more succinctly "5-AR inhibitors".

Whaaaaat? This chart and this paper say otherwise. You also used to believe that DHT could not be aromatized. What changed your mind?

Ha!, you actually caught that, I do have a sense of humor though. DHT can't be converted to estrogen.

Raise of hands: how many people reading this find deliberate misinformation funny? Grow up, Lotus.

You have not provided a legitimate answer, you're just blowing smoke in a desperate attempt to avoid having to admit that you were wrong about something.

Wrong about what?, I'll admit when I'm wrong, (which I have, and offered an apology to all, can you admit when you're wrong?).

45-25-45 asked about getting a strong 5-AR inhibitor. My reply as it pertained to peony stated "I'm not aware of any evidence that White Peony inhibits 5-AR. It seems to just lower testosterone synthesis and increase aromatase." You responded to my statement by citing this paper which says nothing about peony vs 5-AR. It appears as though you misinterpreted the abstract and believed that it said green tea and peony inhibit 5-AR. But rather than admitting you made a mistake, you desperately combed through peony's chemicals looking for something that inhibits 5-AR. However, the only 5-AR-inhibiting chemicals in peony are too dilute to make a difference. Look at these generic examples: low concentrations of an inhibiting chemical are as ineffective as a concentration of zero, so your logic in declaring peony a 5-AR inhibitor is faulty. And since this is an applied science forum, one should only call an extract a 5-AR inhibitor if it has clinically-relevant 5-AR inhibition effects in humans.

You've painted yourself into a corner here. The next time someone asks for a 5-AR inhibitor recommendation, you can either 1) not say peony and thus tacitly agree with me, or 2) say peony and be guilty of providing bad advice.

You've already provided an example of me admitting I'm wrong. When I first read your posts about reishi as a 5-AR inhibitor I was enthusiastic and jumped on the bandwagon. But when I discovered the disturbingly low half-life of the triterpenes I wrote about my misgivings.

You never did address this:

I got a Marcy Recumbent Mag Cycle from Amazon and souped up the resistance by pulling off the housing and placing Neodymium Magnets (1/2 x 1/4 inch Disc N48) on to the existing magnet. (Wearing work gloves to avoid pinched skin!) I then adjusted the resistance to the lowest level that I wasn't spinning on and worked my way up over time. My thighs are now so huge that Vaseline will not prevent me from chafing while running - I need compression shorts for that. I think my butt got bigger too. Pics below, no feminization treatments ever used.

I don't mean to sound rude but how do you go from light toned skin to very dark toned skin... Sorry I'm a moderator for another site and I feel suspicious.

http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=21138&page=3

This is off-topic, creepy, and misleading. Emma did not quote me, and was obviously asking Cassi the question. I did not address the question because I did not take Cassi's pictures.

More proof-(you blew this info off).

To evaluate the safety and efficacy of an extract of Ganoderma lucidum that shows the strongest 5alpha-reductase inhibitory activity among the extracts of 19 edible and medicinal mushrooms by a double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized and dose-ranging study in men with lower urinary tract symptoms (LUTS).
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Ganoderma lucidum: A Potent Pharmacological Macrofungus
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Prak...acological

Page 722, anti-androgen activity, page 724 estrogenic activity

5α-reductase inhibition, androgen receptor binding activity, prostate cancer cell lines.
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Target proteins of ganoderic acid DM provides clues to various pharmacological mechanisms

While screening mushrooms, we discovered that ethanol extracts of G. lingzhi showed the strongest 5α-reductase inhibitory activity among 19 species of mushrooms. Furthermore, treatment with the fruit body of G. lingzhi itself, or its ethanol extracts, significantly inhibited testosterone induced growth of the ventral prostate in rats9, 10. Our group previously isolated a series of triterpenoids from G. lingzhi. These compounds suppressed the proliferation of androgen-dependent and androgen-independent prostate cancer cell lines11 and estrogen-dependent MCF-7 cells12, and inhibited osteoclastic differentiation13. Among these triterpenoids, we found that only ganoderic acid DM (1, Fig. 1) had multiple functions, such as 5α-reductase inhibition, androgen receptor binding activity, prostate cancer cell, and proliferation and osteoclast differentiation11, 12, 13, 14. Although 1 affects different signaling pathways in different cell lines and has multiple functions, we have identified its target proteins, which explain and clarify the universal mechanism of its medicinal efficacy.

http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121130/s...00905.html

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Ganoderma - a therapeutic fungal biofactory.
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Russell_Paterson/publication/6882609_Ganoderma_-_a_therapeutic_fungal_biofactory/links/00b7d5225ef366b7c6000000?ev=pub_ext_doc_dl&origin=publication_detail&inViewer=true

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Ganoderma lucidum inhibits proliferation and induces apoptosis in human prostate cancer cells PC-3
http://www.reishiessence.com/images/int_...cology.pdf

The first passage has already been addressed: I thanked you for finding it and I then used it to show that reishi is significantly inferior to beta-sitosterol for 5-AR inhibition in humans. The other links you provided contain no human data regarding 5-AR so are irrelevant to my concerns about short half-life interfering with effectiveness. Quit attacking a straw man.