[geordie1959]

hi, i have just bought 2x estrogen cream from amazon uk as shown in the link below

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0DL5PZCX5?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

would this cream be better than using  pm tablets or should i use both together?  should this cream be massaged into the breasts?.

to date i have been on 5mg of finasteride for 7 months and for the last 6 weeks i have been on dutasteride, i have been taking 500mg of pm and also using cream and spray but have little to show for it, i thought a different approach might be needed.

i would love to know your thoughts as i am getting a little peeved at the lack of growth.

[Heaven's Night]

would this cream be better than using  pm tablets or should i use both together?

Bioidentical hormones are always many many times better than even strongest phytoestrogen.The one you got does not contain bioidentical estrogens, the label is misleading. It is unlikely to do much anything.

As the one you got is also plant based stuff, I guess they're fine together, but if I were you, I would ditch PM in favour of a better program. 

should this cream be massaged into the breasts?.

As its plant based, I don't know. If it werebioidentical real deal, then not on its own, but as a part of topical protocol, yes.

to date i have been on 5mg of finasteride for 7 months and for the last 6 weeks i have been on dutasteride, i have been taking 500mg of pm and also using cream and spray but have little to show for it, i thought a different approach might be needed.

You're unlikely to develop much on PM. Finasteride I would avoid as its not without its problems. Duta is great for blocking DHT but that alone wont makemuch of a change, its really good with something that really works though, maybe glandulars if you're lucky, TCP could work and conventional HRT obviously does. 

i would love to know your thoughts as i am getting a little peeved at the lack of growth.

Plant estrogens will not make you suddenly develop boobs. Its slow, subtle and inefficient on its own. Its super lucky to develop much anything on phytoestrogens alone. You likely need to change your hormone balance more drastically towards a female one, otherwise there is unlikely to be much of a change.

Many people here do not like me for saying these things out loud, its just a fact that plant based stuff alone will not make much of a difference. Its never going to be as good as the real deal when it comes to growing boobs. Its a fact that the hormone balance has to be tilted towards the right direction or there wont be much of a change. In super lucky case which is more than likely about winning a genetic jackpot, you may get few cupsizes out of it but its very rare... I'm talking like actually very very rare like tiny percentage of people who try this.

I would rather just try other more reliable methods. Like a simple HRT + some NBE additions like the topical protocol and I would also test out glandulars for few months to see if they work as if they do, it can be quite a short cut easily and cheaply.