[Just_for_me]

Forgive the long post, but I just needed to get the thoughts out of my brain.

I bought a bottle of Swansons BO, after I took 2 weeks off of PM and my topicals. I started having concerns about how it was making me feel physically (horrible insomnia mostly and was impacting my work day productivity). 

I have started slow, 500mg per day for most of a work week. No side effects at the low dose so I bumped it up. 

I've been for 10 days 750mg per day, started seeing a little results, but not as intensely as I feel I was seeing with PM (no overly puffy nips/aching breast tissue) just bumped up to 1500 per day (split AM and PM). My sleep pattern is a lot better (except for tonight, but I am working on a project for work and needed a little break).

It is definitely causing some breast changes some obvious Montgomery glands popping up on right nipple particularly. The growth is like filling out instead of mostly central growth like I saw with PM previously. They looks quite masculine when the nipples are erect, but are a nice shape when everything is relaxed. 

I've started wearing a shapewear tank if I wear a single T-shirt since the nipples can be a little out there when everything is relaxed...fairly certain I am up an inch since October on my bust. 

6 weeks in, I shaved once in early November, not sure I can do it again. Think I need to find another way to take care of the hair growth, it kind of ruins the look of the cleavage when wearing a nice bra.
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I can't say for sure any other changes to my male parts as my libido has been pretty low since I was like 25, no obvious shrinkage, but it is hard to tell due to a very large varicocele on one side.

Just had my biometrics checked and my BP is better than it has been in years and I have monitored it pretty regularly since the summer, now perfectly normal. That is despite my high BMI, poor diet (ADHD hyperfixation and Taco Bell are a bad mix), and sedentary lifestyle up until I got a new job in April that has improved my activity level day to day immensely. 

I have gained about 5lb since October starting on NBE despite some improvements, so I am starting a new exercise & diet regimen (no fast food for lunch) as I need to drop a good 30lb (more like 60 would be better), but I am not sure I will lose much until I go into a proper calorie deficit. I am thinking the NBE might be a bit counterproductive since I think I have had low-T pretty much my entire adult life, but I had been sticking at a relatively static weight for almost 10 years since my 1st daughter was born and I gained sympathy weight during the pregnancy. One plus, the extra weight hides the boob growth pretty well. 

I am going to give BO another month and see where we are, then maybe one more. 

I am not taking anything else at the moment. The DHEA I was using was causing a skin reaction even when rotating the location daily. I also ran out of progesterone and it just seemed to be causing short term intense peaks of libido more than anything (may try using it again when I feel like using my ED meds to give me a little more intensity of feelings I haven't been having naturally).

[Heaven's Night]

Progesterone is known for causing higher libido, happens to some people. I don't have much that reaction from it. DHEA causing skin issues is quite interesting, I wonder what does it as DHEA can convert to was it around twenty different hormones which is awesome, but the difficulty is about how to control it. 

There is no good way for that known, but it seems that the female hormone balance + topical protocol makes it work a certain way. (Reversing breast athropy and elevating local E1, E2 and E3 levels.) But DHEA can also cause a spike in testosterone, DHT and what ever else when its not reacting like that. Its very useful amazing stuff, but a bit unpredictable. Like for example, if I take DHEA orally, I get a lot of androgen symptoms out of nowhere and my skin issue flare up, but topically it does none of that.

Very interesting about BO obviously working for you.

[Marica]

In my personal experience I had initially good results with Ainterol PM 1000mg and RR. I had breast growth and reached the budding in only three months, but PM gived to me leg cramps, tiredness and weakness so I switched to BO and added Progesterone and DHEA creams.
With topicals my breast is becoming rounder and fuller, and my hips too.
As for you, at the moment, areolas and nipples are wide and feminine when relaxed but they appear more masculine when erected.
With both PM and BO I had no problems with libido and downstairs functionality, everything works well…

[Brianna]

My nipples / areola are much wider now than before NBE. I noticed the same thing with them being wide until they get hard then they shrink up back to about my original size. Having had them pierced they always seem to stick out a bit. I'm curious as to whether or not nipple suction would help keep areola from shrinking down so much when they become erect. They show quite a bit now so I'm not big on having them show even more.

[Marica]

Hi Brianna, sometimes I use little suction cups and my nipples had become more prominent, but before starting NBE areola size didn’t change

[Just_for_me]

A month in, one big thing I've noticed as a side benefit is that my dysphagia I was having has basically gone. 

Maybe swallowing 6 pills a day forced me to relearn/get over my mental block I had since i accidentally got a pill stuck in my voice box last January, but I can just pop the pills and swallow like i haven't been able to do for quite a while. 

Still no negative effects elsewhere, no magical switch flipping, or anything weird anecdotal type events I had read about that kept me from trying. 

Don't see any reason to quit at this point to the pojnt i am ordering 3 bottles per month to keep it up. 

Sticking with slow and steady maybe in another month I'll change my tone.

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[tomi66]

BO is definitely a marathon not a sprint, with only a few exceptions, it takes months to start to see/feel changes and a year or more to get some noticeable changes. For some reason BO pills went down easily for me too and I hate swallowing pills.

[Just_for_me]

Quick followup. Trying not to be too graphic/sexual in nature, but for those considering this option for NBE, it may offer some useful anecdotal information. 

Stopped after about 6 weeks use. 3 pills 2x per day.  

Breast fullness was improving, though projection seemed to remain same as prior to this round of NBE. No change in nipple size, sensitivity, etc. No loss in breast tissue since ceasing.

Did notice some muscle loss in larger muscle groups (glutes/thighs/hamstrings, biceps/triceps, pecs). 

Fat around inner thigh seemed to increase, and slight amount at the hip and buttocks, gained about 10lb in ~2 months (holidays probably contributed as well)

Was perfectly functioning and good libido for 2-3 weeks after ceasing use. Was liking results, but had to stop due to a messed up delivery and decided against reordering to flush my system before I have my labs taken in early March. 

Had a kidney stone pass over a couple weeks and after it passed finally decided to "test" myself around V-day. This was ~4 weeks after stopping BO, ED had become more noticeable, non-existent libido. During that period since stopping BO noticed flaccid state has become shorter much like when swiming in very cold water, no change when at full charge, but dose of sidenafil is not as effective and it takes a lot more mental effort to achieve/maintain. 

Due for labs this weekend. Going to have T checked. 

Physically still feel good to great, mentally good although was a bit concerned about the ED/libido change that wasn't an issue while taking the pills and before the kidney stone. Have sort of returned to normal after a couple more weeks, so could have been a combination of the damage the kidney stone and peeing every 30 minutes for what felt like 2 weeks straight did...