Hello, so I've been coming here a few months and last week decided to try BO. I am not really in a situation where I can transition, (if that is even what I can do) but like a lot of people I "snapped" under the accumulative stress thinking about it. I am currently trying to get back into physical shape but it's hard for me. I have this mental block that prevents me from really pushing myself. I hate seeing the physical progress in the mirror and get depressed. So I decided if I tried a little BO and continued as normal I would be able to get over the mental block and keep going. If I saw and felt "progress" in the places I want it most then I would enjoy what I'm doing more and my workouts would be more productive.
Thing is I cant "transition". I'm not going to make a long winded post even longer by listing all the reasons, the short version is I will be scheduling a visit with a therapist that I assume I'll be needing long term. There's nothing special about me, the reasons I cant realize these feelings are the same for most people. I figured if I went the "slow" route it would give me time to adjust/self reflect and figure out if this is right for my life.
The big problem is I can't show boobs. I have been on BO for about a week. I did my research (to an extent) and figured this route suited me best. Not like there are many methods to choose from. I like the gambling nature of the routine though. Will something happen? Or not...? Safe and effective HRT is predictable. You have a timetable and real issues to work out for something like that. BO is, wild and organic. Anything can happen. I assumed it would work for me because all meds do very well. But some people report not getting a chest and that was my goal. Just get everything else BUT the chest. I kind of figured this would force me to self reflect if anything actually happened and if not, then I can quietly put away these feelings for a little while maybe. Luckily life is stressful as fuck and serves a decent distraction for weeks, months, years at a time.
My reaction to the BO has been pretty extreme. The second day I used it I noticed (like many others here) my center of gravity shifting as my hips became heavier. Even my ass and thighs. This is exactly what I was looking for! To keep this post brief I wont list my routine but if anyone is intrested I would love to share! I have always had a high metabolism and now with my age I'm basically a stick with a pot belly. I was in the military 20 years ago though and have a lot of muscle memory and definition. So when I do even a few pushups I start to grow back old muscle very fast. This is by design though. I purposely avoid any real physical activity in hopes of preserving my frame for the future, incase I ever get to "transition".
The problem now is after a week I have noticeable tits. Like I said I responded very well and did my best to nurture the process. I didn't think it would get so bad, as long as the areolas aren't changing too much. I figured I could pass them off as "Moobs" and drop the weight later or something. I don't really play with them because I don't want any activity there to stimulate growth or anything. Not because I don't want to, but because I cant. They're getting too big to hide now though and can be clearly observed with my shirt on or off. Coupled with my other changes it's going to be fairly obvious very soon what I'm doing. So now I have to stop. It's only been a week and like many others I don't want to. The progress is amazing and I love every step of the journey. Literally every part of this is amazing to me. My face is softer and glows, my skin is soft. My muscle mass has been dropping from my upper frame incredibly fast. Curves are forming in all the right places. Even my big nose has shrunk and I dropped a shoe size. Like I said, if you have read any posts on here about BO you already know what I'm talking about. If I continued this route or used it as precursor to HRT I believe the results would be incredible.
But the problem is the problem, I cant have tits. I'm 41 now and got married when I was 17. I'm not going to get all into it that wasn't the point of this post. Though it does help to elaborate why I need professional help (therapy) for a complex situation. So I'm dreading having to quit. BO to me is a wonder drug I wished was around 20 years ago. I wish a lot of things were around 20 years ago but that's beside the point.
So my next direction is to try a progestogen cream. There are a few "butt enhancers" I've seen on Amazon people swear by. In a perfect world I could apply this cream to the places I want to fem and build them up through exercise. This would keep the mass off my chest. I don't think this is feasible though, or is it? Has anyone tried this method? There is an enhancer cream I bought last night that will get here tomorrow I am excited to try. I am going to stop the BO today and probably start that tomorrow. It's not cheap but contains all the popular ingredients forum users generally recommend such as PM, Macca, etc. The good thing about BO it puts the fat where its supposed to go, and I'm going to lose that now and I'm literally crying inside. BO has been a miracle in every way, with the exception of that very one huge drawback. I'm hoping by working out the right way with the cream I can make it work.
This would all be an experiment on my part though. I have no idea how well this could work. Which brings me to my next question of possible alternatives? Anything I can do to fem my lower half? I have a man's skeleton so I need fat. I'm not naturally heavy though. So I'm trying to find a nice middle ground. To me tits are easy. After reading nearly every post on this website I have a general idea how to get them. There is always surgery too. To me boobs seem like the last step. I'd rather develop a convincing frame first. At least then I could make a reasonable determination if this is right for me with minimal backlash.
I really apologize for making this a long "woos me" post that wasn't my intention. I'm just trying to get feedback from people that have used these creams in other places than their chest. Even if it doesn't work like I dreamed (I'm not delusional) it still feels like I'm doing "something". Even the placebo effect is fine with me. That way I can still exercise and feel like I'm being productive. HRT will always be best, but it wont give me the physical changes for months. It doesn't do anything for my "mental block" now, and wont put me in the gym "today". BO is second best but I'm not thrilled over the idea of making life changing decisions under a hormonal imbalance.
If you read this far thank u very much. I really appreciate it and any advice.
Thing is I cant "transition". I'm not going to make a long winded post even longer by listing all the reasons, the short version is I will be scheduling a visit with a therapist that I assume I'll be needing long term. There's nothing special about me, the reasons I cant realize these feelings are the same for most people. I figured if I went the "slow" route it would give me time to adjust/self reflect and figure out if this is right for my life.
The big problem is I can't show boobs. I have been on BO for about a week. I did my research (to an extent) and figured this route suited me best. Not like there are many methods to choose from. I like the gambling nature of the routine though. Will something happen? Or not...? Safe and effective HRT is predictable. You have a timetable and real issues to work out for something like that. BO is, wild and organic. Anything can happen. I assumed it would work for me because all meds do very well. But some people report not getting a chest and that was my goal. Just get everything else BUT the chest. I kind of figured this would force me to self reflect if anything actually happened and if not, then I can quietly put away these feelings for a little while maybe. Luckily life is stressful as fuck and serves a decent distraction for weeks, months, years at a time.
My reaction to the BO has been pretty extreme. The second day I used it I noticed (like many others here) my center of gravity shifting as my hips became heavier. Even my ass and thighs. This is exactly what I was looking for! To keep this post brief I wont list my routine but if anyone is intrested I would love to share! I have always had a high metabolism and now with my age I'm basically a stick with a pot belly. I was in the military 20 years ago though and have a lot of muscle memory and definition. So when I do even a few pushups I start to grow back old muscle very fast. This is by design though. I purposely avoid any real physical activity in hopes of preserving my frame for the future, incase I ever get to "transition".
The problem now is after a week I have noticeable tits. Like I said I responded very well and did my best to nurture the process. I didn't think it would get so bad, as long as the areolas aren't changing too much. I figured I could pass them off as "Moobs" and drop the weight later or something. I don't really play with them because I don't want any activity there to stimulate growth or anything. Not because I don't want to, but because I cant. They're getting too big to hide now though and can be clearly observed with my shirt on or off. Coupled with my other changes it's going to be fairly obvious very soon what I'm doing. So now I have to stop. It's only been a week and like many others I don't want to. The progress is amazing and I love every step of the journey. Literally every part of this is amazing to me. My face is softer and glows, my skin is soft. My muscle mass has been dropping from my upper frame incredibly fast. Curves are forming in all the right places. Even my big nose has shrunk and I dropped a shoe size. Like I said, if you have read any posts on here about BO you already know what I'm talking about. If I continued this route or used it as precursor to HRT I believe the results would be incredible.
But the problem is the problem, I cant have tits. I'm 41 now and got married when I was 17. I'm not going to get all into it that wasn't the point of this post. Though it does help to elaborate why I need professional help (therapy) for a complex situation. So I'm dreading having to quit. BO to me is a wonder drug I wished was around 20 years ago. I wish a lot of things were around 20 years ago but that's beside the point.
So my next direction is to try a progestogen cream. There are a few "butt enhancers" I've seen on Amazon people swear by. In a perfect world I could apply this cream to the places I want to fem and build them up through exercise. This would keep the mass off my chest. I don't think this is feasible though, or is it? Has anyone tried this method? There is an enhancer cream I bought last night that will get here tomorrow I am excited to try. I am going to stop the BO today and probably start that tomorrow. It's not cheap but contains all the popular ingredients forum users generally recommend such as PM, Macca, etc. The good thing about BO it puts the fat where its supposed to go, and I'm going to lose that now and I'm literally crying inside. BO has been a miracle in every way, with the exception of that very one huge drawback. I'm hoping by working out the right way with the cream I can make it work.
This would all be an experiment on my part though. I have no idea how well this could work. Which brings me to my next question of possible alternatives? Anything I can do to fem my lower half? I have a man's skeleton so I need fat. I'm not naturally heavy though. So I'm trying to find a nice middle ground. To me tits are easy. After reading nearly every post on this website I have a general idea how to get them. There is always surgery too. To me boobs seem like the last step. I'd rather develop a convincing frame first. At least then I could make a reasonable determination if this is right for me with minimal backlash.
I really apologize for making this a long "woos me" post that wasn't my intention. I'm just trying to get feedback from people that have used these creams in other places than their chest. Even if it doesn't work like I dreamed (I'm not delusional) it still feels like I'm doing "something". Even the placebo effect is fine with me. That way I can still exercise and feel like I'm being productive. HRT will always be best, but it wont give me the physical changes for months. It doesn't do anything for my "mental block" now, and wont put me in the gym "today". BO is second best but I'm not thrilled over the idea of making life changing decisions under a hormonal imbalance.
If you read this far thank u very much. I really appreciate it and any advice.
Ain't no way you dropped a shoe size and had your nose shrink after a WEEK on bo, no shot, i do not believe you. That'd be excruciating pain for such a transformation to happen that fast, i imagine. i'd need before and after pics to believe that.
That aside, how baggy are the shirts you wear? you'd be surprised at how little people notice your chest. Though if you've still got an active sex life she might notice. still, reduced dose, reduced speed and effect. tons of men lose virility and grow that upper pair in their 40s and 50s. from your description of your symptoms it seems like andropause was already there and your body just forgot to react to it
As for hips its a hard task for many to get fat to redistribute to there. i'd say Maca for nutrients and whatever it does for butt, reishi (if not using BO) and other stuff to reduce T since T contributes to upper-body muscle, and then just train your hips with exercise more than other stuff.
Aside from that, i do have to break it to you, the odds are, tits aren't the last step. often this stuff either comes one at a time, at random, or you don't even get some vital thing and you'll feel like you look like a freak, at least according to your anxiety.
Honestly, this chance to get all the potential results of HRT, without even taking HRT, is, if you're not some troll (hey, not trying to be hostile, im just saying you're new, that you have outlandish claims about your progress, and your profile lists your sex as "female" right now), a literal godsend, a bullet bill from Mario Kart to get you back in the race with great expediency. Still, not everybody wants to win the same race, some don't want to race at all. I've been coerced into many pointless things under the guise of it being "an amazing opportunity, once in 100 lifetimes" and i end up wishing it was someone else's opportunity.
But in this race, expect decent hips to come after tits, as a general rule.
I hope I've provided some helpful insight in between my slight skepticism, and I hope i haven't dissuaded you from posting further. Best of luck, however you tread going forward
-Aria
That aside, how baggy are the shirts you wear? you'd be surprised at how little people notice your chest. Though if you've still got an active sex life she might notice. still, reduced dose, reduced speed and effect. tons of men lose virility and grow that upper pair in their 40s and 50s. from your description of your symptoms it seems like andropause was already there and your body just forgot to react to it
As for hips its a hard task for many to get fat to redistribute to there. i'd say Maca for nutrients and whatever it does for butt, reishi (if not using BO) and other stuff to reduce T since T contributes to upper-body muscle, and then just train your hips with exercise more than other stuff.
Aside from that, i do have to break it to you, the odds are, tits aren't the last step. often this stuff either comes one at a time, at random, or you don't even get some vital thing and you'll feel like you look like a freak, at least according to your anxiety.
Honestly, this chance to get all the potential results of HRT, without even taking HRT, is, if you're not some troll (hey, not trying to be hostile, im just saying you're new, that you have outlandish claims about your progress, and your profile lists your sex as "female" right now), a literal godsend, a bullet bill from Mario Kart to get you back in the race with great expediency. Still, not everybody wants to win the same race, some don't want to race at all. I've been coerced into many pointless things under the guise of it being "an amazing opportunity, once in 100 lifetimes" and i end up wishing it was someone else's opportunity.
But in this race, expect decent hips to come after tits, as a general rule.
I hope I've provided some helpful insight in between my slight skepticism, and I hope i haven't dissuaded you from posting further. Best of luck, however you tread going forward
-Aria
@Daisies,
I am with aria. I think a week or even a month is too short a time to tell.
So what is the amount of BO you are taking and are you once or twice a day? Or more often.
Quantity and timing are key, also keep working out, it helps. It does sound like BO will work for you, and baggy shirts go a long way.
Hope to hear more about your program.
I am with aria. I think a week or even a month is too short a time to tell.
So what is the amount of BO you are taking and are you once or twice a day? Or more often.
Quantity and timing are key, also keep working out, it helps. It does sound like BO will work for you, and baggy shirts go a long way.
Hope to hear more about your program.
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