Hello, 

New member here. I've been interested in breast growth for a few years, but just found out about this useful forum. I've been reading for the past hour and found variation of the same question but without clear answers, and by far no consensus. So I'd like to give it another try.

What can one do if they want to grow bigger breast, without any other changes in their body (without surgery)?
I've always wanted bigger breast/tits/moobs, but I never went for hormones as I wish to remain male. I would especially hate to lose muscles or any type of girth and libido. For me, it's strictly about getting bigger.

Is there any recommended way to achieve this?

For example, creams for local application and effects? (if so, which substance / product would you recommend?)
Or doing PM or something else but for shorter times? (if so, how long? When to stop?)
Or actually going for testosterone? (more muscles + some t aromatized to estrogen) 
I already exercise a lot and eat quite a bit in surplus, so my build is "stocky" and muscular.

Thanks!

Hello, 

New member here. I've been interested in breast growth for a few years, but just found out about this useful forum. I've been reading for the past hour and found variation of the same question but without clear answers, and by far no consensus. So I'd like to give it another try.

What can one do if they want to grow bigger breast, without any other changes in their body (without surgery)?
I've always wanted bigger breast/tits/moobs, but I never went for hormones as I wish to remain male. I would especially hate to lose muscles or any type of girth and libido. For me, it's strictly about getting bigger.

Is there any recommended way to achieve this?

For example, creams for local application and effects? (if so, which substance / product would you recommend?)
Or doing PM or something else but for shorter times? (if so, how long? When to stop?)
Or actually going for testosterone? (more muscles + some t aromatized to estrogen) 
I already exercise a lot and eat quite a bit in surplus, so my build is "stocky" and muscular.

Thanks!

Hello there and welcome to  the forum!
Unfortunately the journey of growing breasts as a male comes  with many compromises you have to make.

First of all, to grow breasts you need  some type of hormones (or plant alternatives  like PM) at least on the substance side  of things. But don't worry about getting turned into a lady if that bothers you, usually plants are very slow at getting you changes, much much slower than an official HRT route.

Loss of libido could happen if taking  PM in combination with some  antiandrogen (like Reishi).
As for creams i use a Progesterone Cream, but i guess that might be too much for what you are looking for.

There are some alternative ways without  substances that could alter your hormonal levels or doing anything of that sort: pumping with a breast pump could result in permanent grow if done for a long time and with a lot of consistency, also circular massages to the breasts could start some change in  the shape of them without affecting  much the rest of the body, you could also  use a cream of any type  to help you with that. Although the cream itself shouldn't do   anything unless you use something hormonal like Progesterone or Estriol creams. I suggest you looking around for  massages and breast pump info in the forum.

I think there are also other ways  to grow your chest, and i  suggest you looking at the  different sections of the forum as it is quite a gold mine of information gathered all in one site. If you ever feel like curious, you can look  at  other users personal programs and get an idea on how  people try  with herbs and creams. Even if you aren't looking to that route specifically you could still learn a lot of things  about breasts.

Wish you the best on your journey!

Hello, 

New member here. I've been interested in breast growth for a few years, but just found out about this useful forum. I've been reading for the past hour and found variation of the same question but without clear answers, and by far no consensus. So I'd like to give it another try.

What can one do if they want to grow bigger breast, without any other changes in their body (without surgery)?
I've always wanted bigger breast/tits/moobs, but I never went for hormones as I wish to remain male. I would especially hate to lose muscles or any type of girth and libido. For me, it's strictly about getting bigger.

Is there any recommended way to achieve this?

For example, creams for local application and effects? (if so, which substance / product would you recommend?)
Or doing PM or something else but for shorter times? (if so, how long? When to stop?)
Or actually going for testosterone? (more muscles + some t aromatized to estrogen) 
I already exercise a lot and eat quite a bit in surplus, so my build is "stocky" and muscular.

Thanks!

I don't think it is possible to grow breasts without having other side effects of feminization.  Personally, I do a ton of massage, pumping, and topical application of herbals like fenugreek, fennel, and PM.  I also cycle  on/off saw palmetto and white peony.  As soon as I start to notice loss of libido, I stop taking everything until I feel 'normal' again.  Even with being conservative with what I take, I have noticed less body hair, muscle loss, and more fat on my chest, butt and hips.

Thank you for the first answers!

I was thinking perhaps it would be a good idea to "dip my toes" in this by trying Fenugreek first?
I'm a bit confused about it though as the information about it is contradictory in research, although some users here are swearing by it.
Is there a specific type of Fenugreek that I should look for? Pills or oil for topical application?
Is it necessary to associate it with something else like Saw Palmetto?

Also note that I have high-blood pressure, hence why I'm cautious about PM.

Thank you for the first answers!

I was thinking perhaps it would be a good idea to "dip my toes" in this by trying Fenugreek first?
I'm a bit confused about it though as the information about it is contradictory in research, although some users here are swearing by it.
Is there a specific type of Fenugreek that I should look for? Pills or oil for topical application?
Is it necessary to associate it with something else like Saw Palmetto?

Also note that I have high-blood pressure, hence why I'm cautious about PM.

You're welcome, and  glad  to see you are cautious about your own  health.

I tried fenugreek myself years ago, before i could afford buying PM internationally, so i had to rely on  a cheaper choice which was also available simply through Amazon. At the time i used Nature's Way Fenugreek pills (i guess they were 610 mg each?) and took as much as 6 a day. I was also using it with Saw Palmetto as an antiandrogen to boost  the effect of FG.

But i wasn't really consistent at that time since swalloing like 9 different pills  a day was very annyoing (i was also taking a couple more things), so i'm not sure how much effect it really had. But anyways, i think it gave me a bit of headstart in breast growth: i already  had a bit gynecomastia  since puberty  but this kinda made my areolas a bit more  wide  and maybe the chest not entirely flat.

I would say  Fenugreek does kinda work, but it is also less strong  than Pueraria Mirifica. It doesn't have side effects if i recall correctly, so  it shouldn't affect your  libido or your ability to get erect (if that is important to you). The only thing i noticed was changed body odor from the armpits (could smell the fenugreek in there)  and a bit more sensitivity compared to nothing on  the chest  and areolas. This was much  before than joining this forum so i really didn't take measurements at the time to at least give some numbers about it. Also my information about NBE was more limited before entering this gold mine that  is this forum.

About Saw Palmetto  the research are a bit ambiguous, there are some claims it might have an effect suppressing DHT (and that's why it is used in some supplements for prostate health) while others can't back up its effect at all. To be honest i could never tell if it was doing something, it was super exciting the day i bought  it on Amazon as a teen, but when i switched to Reishi after joining this forum i felt like this could actually work.

In fact i suggest  trying Reishi mushroom (either capsules or powder) and see how they work out, it suppresses DHT so things like excessive body hair, maybe slowing hair loss and reduce prostate enlargement problems. It should in theory also boost the immune system, but i honestly only cared about its antiandrogens property. I suggest you looking at Lotus's "Project X" thread to find which brand should be the best one. I can't exactly remember which page of the thread it was so i might need you to remind me later to find it. 

I'd say to not waste time (and money) on Saw Palmetto and try directly Reishi mushroooms, only thing you have to be careful is chosing the correct one, since you have to look up for the amount of polyccharides and beta glucans (the more the better).
Fenugreek is a good start btw, only be careful if you have diabetes, not sure if this supplement touched sugar levels, i could be mistaking it for another one maybe. Also, regarding capsules or oil, idk. I went with capsules but had to swallow like 6 in a day, don't reccomend them too much. With the oil you could use it for the massages on the breasts, but i have no idea how to choose a correct oil.

Best of luck with your journey!

Your blood pressure awareness is good.  You may also double check medical websites like webmd and rx.com for any Rx that you take to make sure you do not have herb and Rx drug interaction.  Some of the herbs also "thin" the blood and if you are on blood thinners you need to be careful.  Some herbs make you more "bleedy" and some make you clot.  Nipple stimulation may increase your breast tissue and its great fun.  Some of the forum texts talk about how sexually stimulating nipples can be, while also producing prolactin.  An automatic breast pump used by women to produce milk for a baby is also a possible device for you to use to increase breast size (very slowly).  They are also very sexually stimulating in their own right.

Thank you for the first answers!

I was thinking perhaps it would be a good idea to "dip my toes" in this by trying Fenugreek first?
I'm a bit confused about it though as the information about it is contradictory in research, although some users here are swearing by it.
Is there a specific type of Fenugreek that I should look for? Pills or oil for topical application?
Is it necessary to associate it with something else like Saw Palmetto?

Also note that I have high-blood pressure, hence why I'm cautious about PM.

You're welcome, and  glad  to see you are cautious about your own  health.

I tried fenugreek myself years ago, before i could afford buying PM internationally, so i had to rely on  a cheaper choice which was also available simply through Amazon. At the time i used Nature's Way Fenugreek pills (i guess they were 610 mg each?) and took as much as 6 a day. I was also using it with Saw Palmetto as an antiandrogen to boost  the effect of FG.

But i wasn't really consistent at that time since swalloing like 9 different pills  a day was very annyoing (i was also taking a couple more things), so i'm not sure how much effect it really had. But anyways, i think it gave me a bit of headstart in breast growth: i already  had a bit gynecomastia  since puberty  but this kinda made my areolas a bit more  wide  and maybe the chest not entirely flat.

I would say  Fenugreek does kinda work, but it is also less strong  than Pueraria Mirifica. It doesn't have side effects if i recall correctly, so  it shouldn't affect your  libido or your ability to get erect (if that is important to you). The only thing i noticed was changed body odor from the armpits (could smell the fenugreek in there)  and a bit more sensitivity compared to nothing on  the chest  and areolas. This was much  before than joining this forum so i really didn't take measurements at the time to at least give some numbers about it. Also my information about NBE was more limited before entering this gold mine that  is this forum.

About Saw Palmetto  the research are a bit ambiguous, there are some claims it might have an effect suppressing DHT (and that's why it is used in some supplements for prostate health) while others can't back up its effect at all. To be honest i could never tell if it was doing something, it was super exciting the day i bought  it on Amazon as a teen, but when i switched to Reishi after joining this forum i felt like this could actually work.

In fact i suggest  trying Reishi mushroom (either capsules or powder) and see how they work out, it suppresses DHT so things like excessive body hair, maybe slowing hair loss and reduce prostate enlargement problems. It should in theory also boost the immune system, but i honestly only cared about its antiandrogens property. I suggest you looking at Lotus's "Project X" thread to find which brand should be the best one. I can't exactly remember which page of the thread it was so i might need you to remind me later to find it. 

I'd say to not waste time (and money) on Saw Palmetto and try directly Reishi mushroooms, only thing you have to be careful is chosing the correct one, since you have to look up for the amount of polyccharides and beta glucans (the more the better).
Fenugreek is a good start btw, only be careful if you have diabetes, not sure if this supplement touched sugar levels, i could be mistaking it for another one maybe. Also, regarding capsules or oil, idk. I went with capsules but had to swallow like 6 in a day, don't reccomend them too much. With the oil you could use it for the massages on the breasts, but i have no idea how to choose a correct oil.

Best of luck with your journey!

Gotya, I'll go for Reishi mushrooms rather than Saw Palmetto. I checked Examine.com and it does seem to be a better choice all around with potentially many benefits.
I'm browsing through the Project X thread but have trouble finding information about brands/things to look for in a Reishi supplement though   I'll continue looking, but if you know where to find this info, that would be of great help (needs to be available in Europe).

Gotya, I'll go for Reishi mushrooms rather than Saw Palmetto. I checked Examine.com and it does seem to be a better choice all around with potentially many benefits.
I'm browsing through the Project X thread but have trouble finding information about brands/things to look for in a Reishi supplement though   I'll continue looking, but if you know where to find this info, that would be of great help (needs to be available in Europe).

Mmh... i remember there was a particular post of Lotus talking about beta glucans and such, but all i could find are these two posts from different periods, but both  should be good advices.
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Oh uhm if you decide to go for capsules i can recommend you mine: Hi Vital foods Reishi  10000mg (extract 20:1) 180 capsules.  The link is from the amazon site of my country, but if you look up the brand on the internet you should be able to find their official site with their methods of international shipping. Oh and i'm from Europe so you shouldn't have problems with this one.
Anyways, be aware that capsules "extract" and powder are  in much different dosages, so make sure to  read carefully to how much they correspond.

Thanks! I've just purchased this Reishi 
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B087CSVZX3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 
and this Fenugreek 
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B086X6SWFS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

Can't wait to get started

Thanks! I've just purchased this Reishi 
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B087CSVZX3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 
and this Fenugreek 
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B086X6SWFS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

Can't wait to get started

I hope it works well for you, it can be a long but hopefully pleasing journey.