Long story short: Finally had some decent growth after a few years of trying. Yay! During this period of growth my libido was zero. Crap. I've tried reducing my dose or PM/estrogen and/or take less anti-androgens but then I don't get any growth. 

The good news is that I kept about 80% of my size after stopping. So I'm wondering if I start again and get growth then quit how much will I keep? Has anyone tried this on again/off again method? Would a small maintenance dose help maintain size? 

Any other suggestions?

thanks!

Try adding HGW and maca.

I've tried both. When I'm off HBE like now maca's great but when I was having that growth it wasn't enough to make me feel any different. 

I'm thinking I'm one of those guys that needs to have their testosterone waaaaay down before I get results.

I need to retain male function so I am down to one week per month on PM (1000mg/day) and 3 weeks cold turkey. I am still experiencing growth and my sex drive is intact.
In the past I had some troubles after using PM and SP. The combo killed sex drive for me for over 3 months. I am not going to try again anything but pure PM for short periods. Boobs deflate a bit after 2 weeks from stopping but some growth is permanent and I like when I restart and they feel bigger after just a few days.

SP is a libido killer ..
 I had good success with WP.

SP is a libido killer ..
 I had good success with WP.

Arrrghhh...I started taking SP for my prostate a few weeks ago  and it was helping too. I can't catch a break....I'm about ready to give up and go out and get implants.

I need to retain male function so I am down to one week per month on PM (1000mg/day) and 3 weeks cold turkey. I am still experiencing growth and my sex drive is intact.
In the past I had some troubles after using PM and SP. The combo killed sex drive for me for over 3 months. I am not going to try again anything but pure PM for short periods. Boobs deflate a bit after 2 weeks from stopping but some growth is permanent and I like when I restart and they feel bigger after just a few days.

One week on three weeks off and you still see growth over time? Nice. How old are you if you don't mind me asking? I'm older (52) so that's part of the problem.

SP is a libido killer ..
 I had good success with WP.

It was not for me, and I took it alone for a good year or so for hair loss before finding this site. It's not really an anti-androgen though, it just blocks conversion of T to DHT, which should raise T levels if anything.

I did have complete loss of libido when I started PM though, and quit for awhile, and it came back and when I went back on PM and it didn't go away again. I think it just takes time for the mind to adjust to sexuality on lower T levels. It's different than being on high T. I'm much more selective on who and what situations I am turned on by, where as before I wanted to sleep with pretty much every woman in the world in any situation.

Horny Goat Weed and Maca.  I just got a prescription for Cialis used every other day 15 pills a month 30 two months. Due to my spinal cord injury I am impotent not NBE

SP is a libido killer ..
 I had good success with WP.

It was not for me, and I took it alone for a good year or so for hair loss before finding this site. It's not really an anti-androgen though, it just blocks conversion of T to DHT, which should raise T levels if anything.

I did have complete loss of libido when I started PM though, and quit for awhile, and it came back and when I went back on PM and it didn't go away again. I think it just takes time for the mind to adjust to sexuality on lower T levels. It's different than being on high T. I'm much more selective on who and what situations I am turned on by, where as before I wanted to sleep with pretty much every woman in the world in any situation.

With PM and reishi extract my libido was low but I was ok with it. It was like you described, I lost the pressing urgency but I could summon it when needed. However growth was very slow. Then I added progesterone cream and within a few weeks I had breast buds and growth was noticeable but my libido flatlined. 


Searching around the web I found this wiki article which stated..."Progestogens in general are able to suppress gonadal testosterone production in men by a maximum of about 70 to 80% or to just above castrate levels when used at sufficiently high doses." So that explains that.

Low libido is ok but I find no libido really unpleasant and in fact it kills my desire to even grow breasts. Still, I'm considering restarting that regimen for 6-8 weeks, get some solid growth, then go off it and try a maintenance dose of PM to hopefully keep it or most of it anyway.