[Heaven's Night]

I was never a man to begin with. I lived that social role as it was forced upon me, I'm fixg my sex characteristics to match who I am. That's what trans people do. I'm also intersex, so I'm not a man, never was and never will be. What do you think it is then when a person has outer gentilia looking male like, but also has female internals huh?



Physical, medical sex transition is a fact, not an opinion. Don't you dare to be transphobic for a second here! Nor in denial of medical science of how sex characteristics work. Its not just ones and zeros. 

HN, we're not here to debate anyone’s identity. Sandy’s wording derailed the thread and your response escalated it further. Can we keep this focused on NBE and harm reduction?

BN’s purpose is discussion of breast development for people who are navigating male-typical physiology and endocrine profiles, whether they’re on HRT or not. That means advice needs to stay precise and avoid absolute claims like “plenty of evidence” without sources, or “point of no return” as a general rule.

Also, for discussions centered on female-typical physiology rather than male-typical baselines, there are dedicated spaces like BreastNexus.

Agreed, Manue. BN shouldn't be about debating personal identities.

It also means mutual respect. Some dumb fuck saying that sex transition doesn't exist is a direct fuck off to every trans person on the planet. That wont fly. If you pay attention, there's no one debating anybody's identity here, except for those who time and again come off as transphobic bigoted asshats. No one has questioned any crossdresser guys for example, its always some shit about how me and other trans women are somehow non existing and invalid. 

And, calling out false transphobic statements is not an "escalation", escalation is endless replies picking apart what ever me or someone else posted calling out bad behaviour. That kinda strawman bullshit wont fly either.  Or gaslighting me into looking like I'm doing something evil and wrong when I call out some asshat on the forum. 

And what about the advice on NBE, how much of it can be precise? A lot of what is done is based on anecdotes, trust me bro, trying things out.... Things that are fully experimental cannot have precise answers, its impossible. But without it everything becomes stale and no one will benefit. I'm all for it being scientific, proven, precise, but it can't always be that. Without the curiosity to try things out there is no discussion here.

Demanding more than anecdotes and "trust me bro" on NBE is... Childish, illogical. By its very nature, some things are experimental at this point in time. Now that Lotus isn't around, I guess its me who's taking one for the team trying out new things. Only to get shat upon to the point where I'm again debating if I should just leave. Then again, posting doesn't take that huge effort and there will always be some asshat typing in farts. 

I have something to update about, maybe I'll post it right away.

[flamesabers]

I agree mutual respect is very important on this forum.

In regards to Sandy's latest comment, I'm unsure of how to best express myself on my reaction to it. If anything, I feel a bit disinterested about a singular, "off-handed" transphobic remark. I say off-handed because it's not like Sandy started off with post #1 being filled with transphobic comments. And to my knowledge Sandy hasn't posted any new threads/comments, transphobic or otherwise. Comments like in Sandy's context don't hurt me like institutional transphobia has in the last two years or so. In an online context, I think the most that can be done is to report the post to the moderators and/or utilize the "ignore/block user" option.

In regards to crossdressers, I'm not sure how that is relevant. If crossdressers (or any other demographic) are receiving 0% disrespect on the forum, I think that's a positive for the forum, not a shortcoming.

On the topic of NBE advice, I agree much of it is based on anecdotes. Hence, why I stand by my universal "guidelines" and not "absolutes" when providing feedback on NBE regimes. When I was on PM, I did cycle at higher doses without any health complications, but I wouldn't recommend anyone try what I did on day 1 of their NBE. Some people can be very sensitive to PM and not need the higher doses to see results. Other people might be more susceptible to health risks of a NBE regime. Likewise, I had some unpleasant side-effects when I was on finasteride, but I wouldn't discourage someone who wanted to try it as a DHT blocker.

I feel like the "burden" of testing NBE regimes isn't something that should fall on the shoulders of a single individual, but rather it should be a communal effort. For example, if 95% of forum users of herb XYZ report favorable results of breast development, I think that's compelling proof that such a herb is effective for most users.

If you (or anyone else) are debating leaving (or just taking a break), perhaps that's a sign you should? I don't think there's anything wrong with pursuing less screen time, especially for the betterment of one's mental health. Speaking from my own experience, I have taken breaks from online venues because I needed it.

[Heaven's Night]

I agree mutual respect is very important on this forum.

In regards to Sandy's latest comment, I'm unsure of how to best express myself on my reaction to it. If anything, I feel a bit disinterested about a singular, "off-handed" transphobic remark. I say off-handed because it's not like Sandy started off with post #1 being filled with transphobic comments. And to my knowledge Sandy hasn't posted any new threads/comments, transphobic or otherwise. Comments like in Sandy's context don't hurt me like institutional transphobia has in the last two years or so. In an online context, I think the most that can be done is to report the post to the moderators and/or utilize the "ignore/block user" option.

In regards to crossdressers, I'm not sure how that is relevant. If crossdressers (or any other demographic) are receiving 0% disrespect on the forum, I think that's a positive for the forum, not a shortcoming.

On the topic of NBE advice, I agree much of it is based on anecdotes. Hence, why I stand by my universal "guidelines" and not "absolutes" when providing feedback on NBE regimes. When I was on PM, I did cycle at higher doses without any health complications, but I wouldn't recommend anyone try what I did on day 1 of their NBE. Some people can be very sensitive to PM and not need the higher doses to see results. Other people might be more susceptible to health risks of a NBE regime. Likewise, I had some unpleasant side-effects when I was on finasteride, but I wouldn't discourage someone who wanted to try it as a DHT blocker.

I feel like the "burden" of testing NBE regimes isn't something that should fall on the shoulders of a single individual, but rather it should be a communal effort. For example, if 95% of forum users of herb XYZ report favorable results of breast development, I think that's compelling proof that such a herb is effective for most users.

If you (or anyone else) are debating leaving (or just taking a break), perhaps that's a sign you should? I don't think there's anything wrong with pursuing less screen time, especially for the betterment of one's mental health. Speaking from my own experience, I have taken breaks from online venues because I needed it.

Letting any bs fly will make more bs fly. I'm a nasty annoying bitch like that, someone says a sex transition cannot be done while I'm actively doing it to myself, you can be sure I point it out. Like a nasty annoying bitch.

It is relevant, as if by magic, no one is ever questioning the validity of cd/tv dudes doing their thing and growing boobs with magical Thai potatoes which a lot of them do just to get their rocks off. But for some reason, existence and validity of trans identities does repeatedly happen. Respect and acceptance should belong to everybody, but its very obvious who the most hated minority here is. Anybody surprised?

PM has shown to be quite bad stuff for a lot of people, these days I say its one of the "proceed with extreme caution" things. And Fina, I would rather avoid it in favour of better blockers.

Its all about who's willing to take the plunge with it. Most common thing is to read about it, then do everything wrong and then come back complaining and pointing fingers for it not working. TCP is a thing that's showing much promise and I wish more people would try it, and do it right. Not some random this and that, not by replacing every piece of it with something worse or just claiming to do it while doing something completely different. There's several people who are having success with it. 

BN is not gnawing away my mental healh much, its social media that does if I pay too much attention... BN is just a niche side show thing in my life currently.

[Stevenator_]

I wish I'd never heard of PM, much less find it. It's terrible stuff. Problem is, people think of it like it's an "herb", and thus no big deal.

HRT is a MUCH safer option.

I'd avoid Finasteride, too. That stuff can literally break your dick.

The Topical Cream Protocol definitely works. I'll admit to being too lazy to stick with a regular plan. But it does work.

[Heaven's Night]

I agree. PM is the only thing that ever made me get DVT symptoms, I was so scared and thankfully I realised quickly enough that the magic Thai potatoes will kill me unless I stop it. HRT is easy enough to learn how to do, its safe, its very low risk when done RIGHT, read that as = injection/transdermal which bypasses liver metabolism. There's a lot of bs being spread about HRT, its not something super mega dangerous, it wont make you a woman overnight, the changes take ages, boobs are not finished in one or two years etc. and trans woman B cup is a total idiotic myth.

Fina is problematic due to its possible side effects. It can also cause a nasty withdrawal if used for long enough. There are much better alternatives around. Bica is right at top of the shelf for the effects. Cypro is another one, both work in tiny doses and do it very effectively. Duta is probably the bet for absolutely nuking DHT... And then there's the injectables which are amazing but mostly very expensive and harder to get. I would stay the hell away from Fina and Spiro in favour of better options.

TCP is amazing, its one of the game changing things we can do. The basics are easy and inexpensive, DHEA has the near magical property of reversing athropy and helping grow exactly what is missing. I've grown massively since starting to experiment with TCP and the development has been perfect. Fullness where it was missing, woder areolas, larger nipples, tons more projection, large enough veins that are starting to show through skin. Blood circulation is hugely important for keeping boobs healthy so bigger veins = healthier milkers.

TCP is quite a bit of effort, that's why I'm doing it every other day now. I'm not in a rush and I know it works wonders. The Prog + DHEA + E2 combo isn't that difficult to do and there are options on how to do it. This is why I like the topical program so much, its very adaptable.

[flamesabers]

I wish I'd never heard of PM, much less find it. It's terrible stuff. Problem is, people think of it like it's an "herb", and thus no big deal.

HRT is a MUCH safer option.

I'd avoid Finasteride, too. That stuff can literally break your dick.

The Topical Cream Protocol definitely works. I'll admit to being too lazy to stick with a regular plan. But it does work.

Hello Stevenator,

My issue with finasteride was more concerning mental health problems then physical health issues. Out of all the anti-androgens I tried, Eligard has been by far the most effective and simplest for me.