09-10-2013, 04:07 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-10-2013, 04:14 PM by surferjoe2007.)
Alright. Note the difference between 100:1 tongkat ali extract and tongkat ali. 100 times the difference to be precise. Likewise for a fenugreek extract rather than fenugreek. I think 50% saponins is roughly 30:1. If he didn't given oysters a full 2 months try or doesn't want to, then a zinc supplement isn't as good but it's better than nothing.
If it's really bad he may need MP too. By itself it might have taken up to 10 grams, but less in combination with other things like I said. And at that point vitex is cheap and you may as well throw it in. I mean 1/2-1 gram of it vs 2-10 grams of the others.
I think you can get 4:1 extracts at amazon.com and kalyx.com, and it's the same brand either way. Smartpowders.com has a good deal on 100:1 tongkat ali. Amazon has it too for more but there are more reviews so it may be better to start at Amazon then switch over if it works, to then test smartpowders. Amazon also has 50% saponin fenugreek pills.
If it's really bad he may need MP too. By itself it might have taken up to 10 grams, but less in combination with other things like I said. And at that point vitex is cheap and you may as well throw it in. I mean 1/2-1 gram of it vs 2-10 grams of the others.
I think you can get 4:1 extracts at amazon.com and kalyx.com, and it's the same brand either way. Smartpowders.com has a good deal on 100:1 tongkat ali. Amazon has it too for more but there are more reviews so it may be better to start at Amazon then switch over if it works, to then test smartpowders. Amazon also has 50% saponin fenugreek pills.