[AnnieBL]

My feeling is that you need something other than SP to achieve what you apparently want. SP prevents testosterone from being converted to DHT, and DHT is supposed to be a stronger androgen than T. so SP should reduce your effective overall androgen levels somewhat as well as helping to protect your scalp hair and prostate from DHT (but I would expect that any damage to those has already happened to you if it's going to!). Some of the effects you have noted are more likely due to the PM than the SP. What you seem to be looking for is an effective testosterone blocker. The most effective ones are prescription drugs of which spironolactone is just one: for more advice on these you should possibly visit www.eunuch.org . For advice on possible herbal approaches search AbiDrew's posts on this site which mention Chlnese skullcap. I've no experience with that, but I was prescribed spironolactone for an 18 month period, which not only suppressed my T but appears to have done so permanently, although it did kick start my previously ineffective NBE. Loss of testosterone has quite adverse effects in some men, quite apart from reducing sex drive, while others will rejoice in it, possibly depending on the gender orientation of their brain and whether they are taking estrogen to replace the T. You have been warned!

I'm interested and perhaps relieved to see someone here that is older than myself - I am 73.