02-01-2013, 02:08 PM
There are two points I think are being overlooked in this discussion:
1.) On the Fence had a low enough T level to warrant prescription of Androgel by his MD, yet his "sex drive" remained high enough to be a concern. For many taking PM, the feeling of being out of control and "needing" to achieve ejaculation is what disappears most quickly. I'm pretty sure there are long term users on this forum that still have sexual relations with their wives, despite no longer feeling the compulsive need to watch porn and/or masturbate.
2.) Arousal is in your mind. Again the OP had low T but high arousal rates. Transwomen who have had SRS or just bilateral orchiectomy continue to feel arousal and even have sex. Some eunuchs continue to feel arousal and are able to have sex. (check out the boards at eunuch.org if you don't believe me, or conversely susans.org)
Also the men that experience dissatisfaction with decreased sex drive as a result of medication are feeling anxiety for other reasons probably having more to to with self esteem, or if they have a partner, with performance anxiety regarding not being "man enough". This is a gross generalization, but men tend to think that sexual relations revolve around them getting off, and if they can't, then they aren't men.
These to me are entirely different issues than what we are feeling as the direct result of taking PM and having less "sex drive". Once that need is gone, you don't go crazy. I don't feel like I'm not me, but I also don't go crazy trying to resist the compulsion to masturbate once or twice or more times per day!
1.) On the Fence had a low enough T level to warrant prescription of Androgel by his MD, yet his "sex drive" remained high enough to be a concern. For many taking PM, the feeling of being out of control and "needing" to achieve ejaculation is what disappears most quickly. I'm pretty sure there are long term users on this forum that still have sexual relations with their wives, despite no longer feeling the compulsive need to watch porn and/or masturbate.
2.) Arousal is in your mind. Again the OP had low T but high arousal rates. Transwomen who have had SRS or just bilateral orchiectomy continue to feel arousal and even have sex. Some eunuchs continue to feel arousal and are able to have sex. (check out the boards at eunuch.org if you don't believe me, or conversely susans.org)
Also the men that experience dissatisfaction with decreased sex drive as a result of medication are feeling anxiety for other reasons probably having more to to with self esteem, or if they have a partner, with performance anxiety regarding not being "man enough". This is a gross generalization, but men tend to think that sexual relations revolve around them getting off, and if they can't, then they aren't men.
These to me are entirely different issues than what we are feeling as the direct result of taking PM and having less "sex drive". Once that need is gone, you don't go crazy. I don't feel like I'm not me, but I also don't go crazy trying to resist the compulsion to masturbate once or twice or more times per day!