[Lenneth]

I find this flat to fem guide a bit dated and/or suspect. If it doesn't mention PM, it must be dated, because it far outstrips any other herbal, and if it recommends progesterone it is suspect. You really don't need that until you can fill a bra at least.

Search the forum for "micronised" - JulieTG has used it, but had substantial growth beforehand.

Understood! and yest the flat to fem guide is a bit outdated, at least to one I have is, I e-mailled them about PM and they said they HIGHLY recommend using it.

Again, if flat2fem recommends wild yam it is doubly suspect.

Yam contains only precursor chemicals, which, if processed by a chemical lab will produce sythetic progesterone - the human body cannot do it. There are no herbal progesterone products on the market right now - until recently it was thought that it did not exist in plants, though apparently there is a small quantity in certain varieties of walnut.

Search this forum for progesterone to see the discussions.

in the copy I have they mention it as the next strongest down the list from FG as a Phytoestrogen, little more, for the cream they recommend FG at night and whatever else you can get for during the day to avoid the smell.

Good plan. Save your money and stick with that - results are [almost] guaranteed! (assuming all your female forbears weren't flat chested!)

Will do I ordered 300 500mg capsules to start off.

as far as female relatives go, mom is an A cup, my sister is a B (nearly a C), my grandma on my moms side was an E and my grandma on my dad's side was a DD and the rest of my female relatives are all mostly C-DD.

just hope whatever mine end up that I can still conceal them with a compression vest (would be perfectly happy with even a B although bigger is desirable), my own chest measures 35" under my breasts FYI.

Ive been somewhat Gender Neutral in appearance for as far back as I can remember, never been able to develop even any typical male muscle even after a solid year of pumping iron once.

I'm no expert but I rather suspect that the alcohol on its own would have the opposite effect...alcohol tends to dry the skin not moisturize it. After all, traditionally you use an alcohol rub to dry up blisters and toughen the soles of the feet!!

never knew about that use of alcohol, anyhow after I rubbed in the liquid I did do the massage with some Aveeno Moisturizing Lotion at least.

ah well, will just continue to mix it then, I actually really like the massage, I always feel better afterwards...