27-02-2012, 07:12 PM
(This post was last modified: 27-02-2012, 10:12 PM by TibetanPrincess.)
Okay where to even begin!
I hope this thread keeps actively here. I think there are many of us hypothyroiders out there struggling with not only meds and hormone balance, but just understanding what we need since we don't exactly respond like the average healthy individual when it comes to nbe.
So far what worked for me. I have found PC worked for me to an extent. I gave it five months and developed no more on it by the end of the 3rd month of using it.
I grew to a nice full B cup from a very full A cup. My research concluded that Progesterone supported thyroid function while an abundance of estrogen mainly E2 or estradoil did the opposite- slowing down or killing thyroid function. My Dr. told me out of all of the estrogens, my estradoil was the highest and at a dangerous level!
Which is why we don't respond to nbe (estrogenic herbals alone) and begin to develop more severe hypo symptoms.
When I did nbe for the first time years back in 2005. I had made the mistake of not only taking a bunch or estrogenic herbs, but a serious amount when I stalled or did not grow more than swelling at the time. And in doing this, I ended up severely hypo with a heavy amount of free flowing estrogen and testosterone in my blood that turned into androgens. This was the worst thing I could have ever done to my body.
By the following year, my adrenal output was negative with unstable blood sugar. I became slightly insulin resistant and my Hashimoto's antibody count was a little over 1,000!
Also, my doctor noted high progesterone levels!
So I had all the hormones, "why didn't I grow?" I thought. What I didn't realize was the estrogen and testosterone were converting into adrogens. I was creating a lot of DHEA and my hormones were free flowing because of the glandular imbalance causing them to attach to other receptor sites in the body.
I truly believe also that it was because of a low level of SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) that I did not respond to nbe. We need a healthy level of SHBG to mop up the hormones in our blood to attach to their ideal receptor sites and function as they should.
I also learned my Lutenizing hormone levels were higher than Follicle Stimulating Hormone levels. I had weak pituitary function.
While this is my case, I understand that this may not be every one else's.
And while I developed body and face acne, hirsuitism, massive headaches and cramps, hypoglycemia, and mild insulin resistance, I was truly blessed I did not develop PCO'S.
After six months of this NBE failure and ruining my glandular system, I decided to stay away from nbe altogether until last year 2011. I still have back acne and occasional outbreaks on the face and so I know my adrogen levels are high but not nearly like it was in 2010 and before.
My advice to anyone who wishes to begin their nbe journey: it is IMPERATIVE to get a hormone panel done as well as testing your adrenal,pitutary and thyroid levels at the least to know what your imbalances are.
You can easily be healthy and come out with a sluggish gladular system if you attempt nbe blindly.
My advice to all that suffer androgen dominance that are trying to do nbe: Focus on a good anti androgen diet and herb program first and take DIM. Remember, most of you make enough estrogens as it is so it would be pointless to add any more phyto estrogens to your program. I feel that my growth only happened when my androgens were controlled.
I hope this thread keeps actively here. I think there are many of us hypothyroiders out there struggling with not only meds and hormone balance, but just understanding what we need since we don't exactly respond like the average healthy individual when it comes to nbe.
So far what worked for me. I have found PC worked for me to an extent. I gave it five months and developed no more on it by the end of the 3rd month of using it.
I grew to a nice full B cup from a very full A cup. My research concluded that Progesterone supported thyroid function while an abundance of estrogen mainly E2 or estradoil did the opposite- slowing down or killing thyroid function. My Dr. told me out of all of the estrogens, my estradoil was the highest and at a dangerous level!
Which is why we don't respond to nbe (estrogenic herbals alone) and begin to develop more severe hypo symptoms.
When I did nbe for the first time years back in 2005. I had made the mistake of not only taking a bunch or estrogenic herbs, but a serious amount when I stalled or did not grow more than swelling at the time. And in doing this, I ended up severely hypo with a heavy amount of free flowing estrogen and testosterone in my blood that turned into androgens. This was the worst thing I could have ever done to my body.
By the following year, my adrenal output was negative with unstable blood sugar. I became slightly insulin resistant and my Hashimoto's antibody count was a little over 1,000!
Also, my doctor noted high progesterone levels!
So I had all the hormones, "why didn't I grow?" I thought. What I didn't realize was the estrogen and testosterone were converting into adrogens. I was creating a lot of DHEA and my hormones were free flowing because of the glandular imbalance causing them to attach to other receptor sites in the body.
I truly believe also that it was because of a low level of SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) that I did not respond to nbe. We need a healthy level of SHBG to mop up the hormones in our blood to attach to their ideal receptor sites and function as they should.
I also learned my Lutenizing hormone levels were higher than Follicle Stimulating Hormone levels. I had weak pituitary function.
While this is my case, I understand that this may not be every one else's.
And while I developed body and face acne, hirsuitism, massive headaches and cramps, hypoglycemia, and mild insulin resistance, I was truly blessed I did not develop PCO'S.
After six months of this NBE failure and ruining my glandular system, I decided to stay away from nbe altogether until last year 2011. I still have back acne and occasional outbreaks on the face and so I know my adrogen levels are high but not nearly like it was in 2010 and before.
My advice to anyone who wishes to begin their nbe journey: it is IMPERATIVE to get a hormone panel done as well as testing your adrenal,pitutary and thyroid levels at the least to know what your imbalances are.
You can easily be healthy and come out with a sluggish gladular system if you attempt nbe blindly.
My advice to all that suffer androgen dominance that are trying to do nbe: Focus on a good anti androgen diet and herb program first and take DIM. Remember, most of you make enough estrogens as it is so it would be pointless to add any more phyto estrogens to your program. I feel that my growth only happened when my androgens were controlled.