[Sandy77]

Hi HN, thanks for laying this out. I’m curious because the results you describe sound almost “too good,” and I’m trying to understand what you’re basing it on. What made you confident BO was the driver (vs background HRT shifts, time, body changes, etc.)?

If you happen to have any solid resources you trust (even just a couple links you found convincing, or a mechanism explanation you think holds up), I’d love to read them. Also, did you track anything like labs or just changes over time?

Hi Manue. 

Obviously the fantastic results me and few others have got is not only done by bovine ovary, but it is a MAJOR factor. I have some study articles gathered up about this, there's not much unfortunately and then there's a lot of anecdotes. I'm planning on trying to gather it all toghether and post it as a coherent text as this is pondered upon so much.

Here on BN Lotus posted something about BO when she looked into it more not ages ago, its in the Projext-X thread somewhere. And Tanyasquirrel posted a bunch of interesting ideas about it in her Acorns thread. I think there were some links and interesting ideas about what makes it work. I have these posts saved in a huge textfile of assorted notes I've been saving over the years. Then I should ask Melissa if she could still find the mouse study that was about glandular therapy on mice and the findings were extremely interesting, it had something which could explain the "point of no return" that many people have talked about, she unfortunately never showed me that study or if she did I never saved it. I have to assk as this has been bugging me for several years now.

Most of why I swear to the name of glandulars is my own experience, the correlation of timing with changing doses etc. to my breast development and body changes which is undeniable. I haven't done labs for ages now and I should, then again all I've changed since then is tweaking the NBE program and switching from Cypro to Bica and bit higher dose of EV. The really interesting wild card on hormone levels is combination of Bica and oral DHEA as that's something that would absolutely require blood check to see the difference.

The reasons why BO works I speculate to be the following:

1. Contains bioidentical estrogens, progesterone and likely more, in differeing amounts depending on what poinf ot the hormone cycle the cows were slaughtered, this we can't of course know and likely each capsule has a mix of who knows how many cows, we don't know the specifics of the process that results into the Swanson Ovarian Glandular product. Other than its freeze dried cow ovaries ground to powder.

2. Something in it works as a suspected massive aromatase booster, this has been talked about a lot but I'm yet to see evidence for the exact mechanism of this.

3. It appears to work better when combined with Pituitary glandular taken at approximately 10-20% of the BO dosage. This I picked from the attached Glandular therapy program idea and the breast growth capsule patent text, since I upped my Pit dosage, results have been amazingly good. It works on its own, but this combo seems better.

4. This is pure specuation, but its repeated by many people who have tried it, that something in it works as a hormone balancer in a way that conventional HRT alone can't do. Meaning that people have been reporting improved mood and energy levels when starting to take it and noticing obvious difference when stopping. And the positive mental effect precedes body changes and continues as long as the BO is continued. This was the first thing I paid attention to when I first started. Melissa noted a similar change, so did Gracefulcurves here on BN and I've read of few others. So bovine ovaries might contain a combination of hormones which is more than just estrogens and P4 and thus it works as balancer of sorts. 

5. Body temperature and genetics. This has been speculated a lot about for many years and some people have been convinced that raising their body temperature just a bit made BO work far better. This is why people keep mentioning adding kelp or multivitiamin containing iodine to their NBE program. And then lastly there's the genetic factor. We know how BO works to some poeple like its hormonal rocket fuel, to many it does very little and to some absolutely nothing at all. Its been speculated that there likely is a genetic factor which makes some people benefit more than others. I think its more than likely as similar differences exist with just conventional HRT, but what specific genetic traits might be in play is mystery I would love to se answered.

I'll attach few articles to read, there really isn't much to go on, but its a start.

Thank you for the attachments. The last one that lays out everything one needs to know about BO is very informative. I strongly agree with the warnings laid out in chapters two and eight about the permanent effects of taking BO. I disagree about “permanently becoming a woman” as a man can never be a woman. I understand the deeper context, but someone might not. 

Anyway the warnings are very real. The method works well and can cloud one’s decision making, so it’s IMPERATIVE to look at the good, and bad BEFORE taking your first dose as you’ll hit a point of no return in your mind and in your body.