Not all men, but almost always men. At this point I also think those men who know better, but stay silent, are still doing harm e.g. in groups where misogynistic discussions arise. And it's tedious to have to point these things out so often, I get it, it's tempting to stay silent but that helps propagating the discussions. This is why I feel I have to chime in, I'm sorry, Perky, to derail this even further.
But breasts are NOT for sexual objectification. Any body part is NOT for sexual objectification. Women are NOT for sexual objectification. Neither are men, of course. Nobody is. Objectification is literally viewing or treating someone without regard for their individuality and humanity.
So yes, judging someone because they have/don't have/want to grow/don't want to grow breasts is objectifying. Telling someone their bazongas are schmexy is objectifying and insulting. This is largely a problem among men, there are probably studies that count numbers as well. I think it's cultural, men need to learn empathy among other things to ditch this behaviour. And the fact that men often don't even recognise they're saying something hurtful shows that generally it's the men saying this stuff to women, the men aren't used to hearing hurtful stuff about themselves so they don't even know it hurts (on top of all the "man up, be tough" macho behaviour).
Also being man doesn't make it any more OK to act this way, stuff like "oh, men can say this but it's not okay if women say it" is the definition of sexism. Men are not victims of some weird biological misogyny-gene. They just need to learn to do better, just like most women have learned.
I feel so exhausted. I have to explain this at work regularly. Now I have to explain it here, of all places! Thought BN was a sanctuary
Sending hugs to Heaven's Night. I feel you.
But breasts are NOT for sexual objectification. Any body part is NOT for sexual objectification. Women are NOT for sexual objectification. Neither are men, of course. Nobody is. Objectification is literally viewing or treating someone without regard for their individuality and humanity.
So yes, judging someone because they have/don't have/want to grow/don't want to grow breasts is objectifying. Telling someone their bazongas are schmexy is objectifying and insulting. This is largely a problem among men, there are probably studies that count numbers as well. I think it's cultural, men need to learn empathy among other things to ditch this behaviour. And the fact that men often don't even recognise they're saying something hurtful shows that generally it's the men saying this stuff to women, the men aren't used to hearing hurtful stuff about themselves so they don't even know it hurts (on top of all the "man up, be tough" macho behaviour).
Also being man doesn't make it any more OK to act this way, stuff like "oh, men can say this but it's not okay if women say it" is the definition of sexism. Men are not victims of some weird biological misogyny-gene. They just need to learn to do better, just like most women have learned.
I feel so exhausted. I have to explain this at work regularly. Now I have to explain it here, of all places! Thought BN was a sanctuary
Sending hugs to Heaven's Night. I feel you.