29-01-2025, 11:39 PM
Little bit of an update.
I've been on the NBE supplements side for getting close to 1 year now, and I've been feeling great, with lots of energy and good health.
Since last Sunday though I'd been waking up after only a few hours sleep with a pain in my back low down towards the hip and to one side (left), and also duplicated on the front in the same area, it felt initially like the kind of pains you get when you've slept on an unsupportive mattress or perhaps muscular like you've overdone sit-ups or something. Over the next few days it continued and got worse, worse to the point that by Friday (24 Jan) I was in agony, and actually threw up. To make matters worse I just couldn't find a position that gave me relief, sitting, standing, walking, lying on one side, the other side, on my front, on my back all to no avail.
Each episode would 'fade in' around 2-3 AM and would fade out again by 8-9 AM. During the day I felt fine.
Things came to a head on Sunday night where I was feeling really ill, and threw up again several times, and my wife and I started to consider what on Earth it could be, obviously at the time you fret about all sorts of things like stomach cancer or pancreatitis etc, it was definitely in the Liver area though.
To recap, these are the supplements I'm taking.
AM (first thing on an empty stomach.)
2 x Swanson Bovine Ovary (500mg)
1 x Swanson reishi capsule (600 mg)
1 x Swanson GTE (500 mg)
1 x sea kelp tablet (2,000 mg)
1 x milk thistle tablet (4,000mg)
2 x omega 3 Krill oil capsule (500mg)
Lunchtime
2 x Swanson Bovine Ovary (500mg)
1 x Vitamin C (500mg)
1 x Vitamin D (500iu)
PM (last thing)
2 x Swanson Bovine Ovary (500mg)
1 x Swanson reishi capsule (600 mg)
1 x Swanson GTE (500 mg)
2 x melatonin pills
I've done a little bit of research and it may be that its the Krill or the GTE or Reishi that has built up in my system and is making my liver complain. Obviously I don't know which, and I'm unwilling to completely fark up my liver experimenting to see, especially as it's incredibly painful when it occurs.
I've taken the decision for this entire week to not take ANY supplements at all and see how it goes.
I can see that right from stopping I've had NO liver/abdomen pains at all, so clearly it was something I'd been taking. I haven't changed my regimen of HRT at all, still on 7.5 mg of Oestrogel taken in 2.5 mg doses 3x a day.
Next week... I dunno. I feel reasonably sure it isn't the Vit C/D or Melatonin, not sure on the BO (although I haven't ever read anything about liver function problems with that before)
I'm sure I read that reishi can be problematic, but I thought that was form specific, i.e the whole mushroom.
Given the dose of Estrogen I probably don't need the GTE/Reishi for testosterone blocking.
Any advice ? @lotus etc
I've been on the NBE supplements side for getting close to 1 year now, and I've been feeling great, with lots of energy and good health.
Since last Sunday though I'd been waking up after only a few hours sleep with a pain in my back low down towards the hip and to one side (left), and also duplicated on the front in the same area, it felt initially like the kind of pains you get when you've slept on an unsupportive mattress or perhaps muscular like you've overdone sit-ups or something. Over the next few days it continued and got worse, worse to the point that by Friday (24 Jan) I was in agony, and actually threw up. To make matters worse I just couldn't find a position that gave me relief, sitting, standing, walking, lying on one side, the other side, on my front, on my back all to no avail.
Each episode would 'fade in' around 2-3 AM and would fade out again by 8-9 AM. During the day I felt fine.
Things came to a head on Sunday night where I was feeling really ill, and threw up again several times, and my wife and I started to consider what on Earth it could be, obviously at the time you fret about all sorts of things like stomach cancer or pancreatitis etc, it was definitely in the Liver area though.
To recap, these are the supplements I'm taking.
AM (first thing on an empty stomach.)
2 x Swanson Bovine Ovary (500mg)
1 x Swanson reishi capsule (600 mg)
1 x Swanson GTE (500 mg)
1 x sea kelp tablet (2,000 mg)
1 x milk thistle tablet (4,000mg)
2 x omega 3 Krill oil capsule (500mg)
Lunchtime
2 x Swanson Bovine Ovary (500mg)
1 x Vitamin C (500mg)
1 x Vitamin D (500iu)
PM (last thing)
2 x Swanson Bovine Ovary (500mg)
1 x Swanson reishi capsule (600 mg)
1 x Swanson GTE (500 mg)
2 x melatonin pills
I've done a little bit of research and it may be that its the Krill or the GTE or Reishi that has built up in my system and is making my liver complain. Obviously I don't know which, and I'm unwilling to completely fark up my liver experimenting to see, especially as it's incredibly painful when it occurs.
I've taken the decision for this entire week to not take ANY supplements at all and see how it goes.
I can see that right from stopping I've had NO liver/abdomen pains at all, so clearly it was something I'd been taking. I haven't changed my regimen of HRT at all, still on 7.5 mg of Oestrogel taken in 2.5 mg doses 3x a day.
Next week... I dunno. I feel reasonably sure it isn't the Vit C/D or Melatonin, not sure on the BO (although I haven't ever read anything about liver function problems with that before)
I'm sure I read that reishi can be problematic, but I thought that was form specific, i.e the whole mushroom.
Given the dose of Estrogen I probably don't need the GTE/Reishi for testosterone blocking.
Any advice ? @lotus etc