[Gabrielle]

ok  i am trying to catch up with this thread (halfway through on another separate tab). 

ok while i muddle through the rest of the 80 something pages   i have a few questions regarding dht reduction and what i post below is what i am currently using (about a half a dropper full) :

reishi for dht reduction (how many times  a day? its liquid extract
White peony for aromatization (same thing, how many times a day its also liquid extract)
and SHOULD i also add green tea extract too? does two of the same contradict each other or compete?

For phyto estrogens, i am using Red clover and chinese licorice extract (both liquid). about half a dropper each.

Should i WAIT after taking the white peony and reishi? or can i mix the phyto estrogens extract along with it.  and take all sublingually at once? 

Sorry a lot of questions all bottled up in one post. 

Oh and btw, i know that grapefruit extract upregulates estrogen that is consumed in pill form do you think it would also work with phytoestrogens?  do you think it will upregulate aromatase as well? i couldnt find any info on that. 

In the mean time, back to reading up on this thread. 

Thanks for any reply (hopefully an in depth one).

You shouldnt wait to start blocking and inhibiting DHT. DHT is gonna be your greatest roadblock. For reishi this article explains everything about reishi and its affect. https://perfecthairhealth.com/reishi-mushroom-dht-hair-loss/ 

"The results were impressive (again). Reishi mushroom extract helped to significantly [i]lower[/i] the weight of the prostates. But interestingly, the lower dose – 1.5mg/kg – was most effective."

The quote above is straight from the article.


When it comes to phyto estrogens, its much more complicated, specifically when it comes down to Estrogen recptors and potency. There are 2 types of recepters; ERAlpha and ERBeta. ERAlpha is gonna be the one you focus on for primary feminine traits(curves, breasts, softer skin, ect) as aposed to ERBeta which has secondary effects. But dont neglect ERBeta, itll be very useful overall.

In my honest opinion, and from what ive done my research on, for ERAlpha, youll need a phyto estrogen that acts like Estradiol, the most potent estrogen, the one that give you the primary physical traits. For that, my honest opiton is taking hop supplements.

Hops are not only shown to be the most potent phyto estrogen yet to activate ERAlpha but act like estradiol. It is 70 times less potent to 17-beta estradiol, but that trully doesnt matter if you take enough. I take hops as my primary from of estrogen. Currently taking 2.5 g of hops a day(2x 620mg 2 times a day). If you go down the hop supplement path, dont bother buying swansons 8-pn, buy a basic hop supplement, in the ranges of 500mg to 700mg. 

Hops become estrogenic due to the conversion process within the bacteria of the digestive tract. Making chemicals called 6-pn and 8-pn, also known as hopien. 

I made a post if you want to see the supplements i am taking. and sorry for the long post.

we all know about hops. from the consumption of mans best friend, which results in moobs.