[Lotus]

Great thread, recently starting taking Boron worried about heavy metals, and I do the liver detox every other month. So I added MSM and Boron. I think is ever other day for the standard low does Boron fine?

And how much and at what time to take MSM?

thanks!

I saw these thread on the web, jumped back did a search and found this thread, thanks again Lotus.

https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.ncbi.nlm....d/24268550
and
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1566640/

Hi happyboobs,

I've seen boron dosages at between 3 mg to 20mg, as with any new supplement one needs to start slowly, (e.g. starting at 3mg and see how your body reacts to it). The study I linked on boron found results using 3mg. There's no RDA (recommended daily allowance), so proceed with caution. My thoughts on how to use boron for NBE is that if your T is above 100 ng/dL you'll need to take an anti-androgen to see an increase in E2. And if T is consistently below 50ng/dL maybe you supplement with a pro-atomatase, (my preference is Forskolin and or white peony.

• Two things from the study sticks out for me,
1) boron regulates the messenger RNA (mRNA) expression of a wide range of extracellular-matrix proteins

2) boron doubles E2 expression in men and women, but it took 4 weeks.

(also from the study)
In women on a low-magnesium diet, E2 almost doubled, increasing from an average of 21.1 pg/mL to 41.4 pg/mL. Testosterone more than doubled, rising from an average of 0.31 ng/mL to 0.83 ng/mL. Similar increases were seen in the women on an adequate-magnesium diet: E2 rose from an average of 15.5 pg/mL to 38.0 pg/mL, and testosterone increased from 0.38 ng/mL to 0.65 ng/mL. In 1997, Naghii et al21 published findings of a similar increase in serum levels of E2 in healthy males (n = 18) after 4 weeks of dietary supplementation with boron.

As far as when to supplement MSM (and how much) is taking it in the evening, preferably at bedtime, and 2-3 grams (that's 2,000mg to 3,000mg). And I'll explain further in the next post why supplementing at bedtime makes more sense for a growth phase to happen versus daytime phase supplementing hopefully tonight.

@ spanky... I love to dance 
@ Valkyrie...you smart girl lol, be very careful with Fenugreek, it'll drop blood glucose fast, too fast in certain groups, meaning hypoglycemia, and very bad for diabetics. Also, if you have nut allergies you'd better stay away from fenugreek.

As with any supplements, source organic when possible and clean ingredients, meaning non-gmo, no rice flour, no maltodextrin or dextrose, all of which spikes insulin. Spiking daytime insulin is bad for boobs imho... which I'll outline in the next post. Adding maltodextrin to Stevia makes no sense whatsoever to me, (stevia is a low-calorie sweetener that has antioxidant and antidiabetic properties. It reduces hunger and improves satiety, which is undone by adding maltodextrin, just saying lol).

@troublewithnibbles, I'm very intrigued by your question in the anti-androgens thread (can't wait till I can answer that one), i can't I remember ever being asked that, what a great question though.