[Nightshade]

Thanks for posting this. I was thinking about trying that supplement too, but it's sold out atm and I'm not sure the other hops supplements have the specific substance isolated enough to do anything.

Life Extensions is selling a supplement called Natural Estrogen which does have 8-Prenylnaringenin (which is what's in the Swanson's hops formula - aka 8-PN) but it has a lot of other crap too unfortunately. I'm also trying to do things somewhat stealth and a big bottle with "Estrogen" on it isn't the best way to go about that

I am taking Zyflamend Nighttime which at least is a full spectrum extract. I'm taking it for other reasons - mainly Chinese Skullcap, but the hops is the main reason I'm taking this instead of Chinese Skullcap by itself. The Chinese Skullcap I'm taking for Lyme disease btw (just in case anyone was thinking I was recommending it )

The big downside to supplements that have multiple herbs in them is that if you have a bad reaction, you don't know which one it was that caused it, or even if you do have a good reaction, you won't know which ones caused it if you need to switch brands for whatever reason.

I had a really bad reaction to a formula that had a number of different herbs in it that was so bad I avoid all of the ones that were in the bottle. My heart was racing and I considered that I might need to go to the emergency room and probably would have, but really didn't want to have to explain why so I just waited it out. I'm pretty sure it was the licorice root, but I can't say for sure. I think it's much better to add each herb one at a time, with at least a week so you know, even if it might be slightly more expensive doing it this way.

Very true. I don't have any adverse reaction to the formula, but it looks like the Holy Basil in the Zynflamed Nighttime could be bad for estrogen so I'll be switching to just the single herb Skullcap supplement.

I hope Swanson restocks the 8-PN because I haven't found any other hops supplement that is standardized for 8-Prenylnaringenin. I might look into the Life Extension formula at some point, but only after I look very carefully at each ingredient. I agree about sticking to one thing at a time.

And yeah, it probably was the licorice. Either from raising cortisol, hypertension (high blood pressure), or hypokalemia (low potassium). Aside from high blood pressure, I'm doing a treatment called methylation which can lower potassium so I stay faaaaaaaaaar away from licorice (other than the occasional piece of candy).