[Louise]

Replying to my own thread here to say, I'm reasonably sure these things are the full 2500mg, based on the results I'm seeing. Which means I've dived straight in at 2500mg rather than going up slowly, but hey ho, it's done now. Anyone reading this thread and thinking "they're 250mg so I'll take multiple", I wanted to update to say "I doubt it".

My regimen: 2500mg PM, 600mg LifeExtension White Peony, and recently added 600mg fenugreek. Full disclosure, I'm also on 5mg of Finasteride as well, so if it's possible that has added to my growth, then I'll add that to the list. That said, it did nothing to my breasts for 6 months, so I'm pretty much of the mind it's not relevant. Oh yes and Vitamin D for a pre-existing deficiency.

What I did: splitting the PM (they cut easily) between morning and evening, taking with a glass of milk for 3 weeks on, one week off

What I saw: after a couple of weeks I noticed nipple tenderness increasing, and a dull ache in my balls from time to time. By the end of the first month I noticed my whole breast area seemed warm to the touch and I felt a little more padded there. It wasn't really obvious looking in the mirror until I stood under the bathroom light and my breasts had taken on the outline of a definite circle. Mood seemed much improved for me. The week off nothing much happened but naked I could feel my biceps rubbing up against my breast area more than usual. Its like that whole area has gone from not really sensitive at all to "waking up". Nipples erect pretty much constantly!

Started the second month and wow. Waxed my chest at this point, and yeah, it's clear there's growth there. Nothing much in the way of protrusion at the areolas, though there's something forming behind there, dull aches and slight itchiness which I'm relieving with massage. Definite round breast starting to form.

So yeah there it is. Can vouch for these herbs effectiveness if you're in the UK and can't get hold of Ainterol, with the caveat that I'm not a doctor and obviously like everything else you buy over the internet who knows what's really in them

Truly a carbon copy of my experiance though with a small exception to your regime. Your description of the effects is mirrored entirely by my own progress in terms of development sensitivety etc.

I however, partly because of the lack of clarity re. dosage had been taking two a day. I had not and still havn't introduced anything else but now am taking a break due to aches and pains around the liver area and will restart with half a tablet each morning and night once feeling better and introduce the white peony.

As an aside I had read some papers discussing regimes of individuals transitioning under doctor supervision and had seen that there is debate and some current thinking regarding higher dosage of estradiol (6-8mg if I remember correctly) for pre orchiectomy patients and 2-4mg post. The idea being that estradiol in the higher dosage is enough to suppress the testosterone and let the female hormone take prominance.

I think that is what taking two of these tablets a day has done to some extent as drive is virtually gone, there is some aching below, all quite watery and now got hairy legs requiring lots of maintenance. Its almost as if I dont need the antiandrogen with this dosage though would now warn to only take one of these foul tasting tablets a day (in two halves) and use a seperate AA.

If PM is meant to convert T to E then these tablets do that as the effects of low T is very evident and the effects of E obvious.

As an aside I noticed Swanson have stopped doing White Peony or at least its discontinued at healthmonthly and others, where should I look for or the LifeExtension White Peony mentioned,

Thanks