12-11-2015, 05:22 PM
I have actually been putting some thought to this lately and Jean and I have discussed this before on other posts. Still trying to think this through so any ideas welcome, but in broad strokes:
Dropping Testosterone levels too much causes fatigue, slows metabolism, depression and a bunch of other problems can join the party too. Also, high levels of oestrogen (from whatever source) makes weight loss a LOT harder. And although very tempting to go for aromatase-max (which I can definitely confirm works!), tipping the body into "full feminisation" mode is what's aggravating the weight problem we are talking about here.
So.... my thoughts are:
a) DHT is the real baddie and getting that down is the primary objective. Reishi seems to be the daddy for that, and comes with other health benefits too.
b) Leave Testosterone alone and support cAMP to keep the metabolism and fat burning up.
c) Low dose Fenugreek, which with DHT under control even small amounts should still have an effect. And although not as strong as PM, FG has a reputation for developing the lower curves and side branching in the boobs (real growth). FG also has been associated with controlling diabetes and weight loss so could be a double bonus? (Could possibly add low dose White Peony for extra aromatase, but not too much or we are back to where we started).
d) Green tea goes without saying and Evening Primrose Oil is just too good to leave out too.
e) Exercise for fitness and tone NOT muscle, Pilates seems a really good option?
f) Progesterone. This is to be the next tool to add to my toolbox. Not talking from experience yet, but used thoughtfully this looks like it could be very effective for what we are talking about here.
The hardest bit though is patience. To try and achieve a substantial weight loss is tough at any time. To add into the mix NBE makes the battle harder..... but not impossible..... Perhaps it's just me, but having the double target of loosing the belly and gaining some curves is proving to be an added incentive? Plus, we can prove to ourselves this clearly works! The first time you notice soft skin on YOUR body is amazing!
ps. Was joking about the massaging the fat to where we want it :-) Had in mind a couple of YouTube vids where someone just squeezed the fat around to where they wanted it. sigh....
Dropping Testosterone levels too much causes fatigue, slows metabolism, depression and a bunch of other problems can join the party too. Also, high levels of oestrogen (from whatever source) makes weight loss a LOT harder. And although very tempting to go for aromatase-max (which I can definitely confirm works!), tipping the body into "full feminisation" mode is what's aggravating the weight problem we are talking about here.
So.... my thoughts are:
a) DHT is the real baddie and getting that down is the primary objective. Reishi seems to be the daddy for that, and comes with other health benefits too.
b) Leave Testosterone alone and support cAMP to keep the metabolism and fat burning up.
c) Low dose Fenugreek, which with DHT under control even small amounts should still have an effect. And although not as strong as PM, FG has a reputation for developing the lower curves and side branching in the boobs (real growth). FG also has been associated with controlling diabetes and weight loss so could be a double bonus? (Could possibly add low dose White Peony for extra aromatase, but not too much or we are back to where we started).
d) Green tea goes without saying and Evening Primrose Oil is just too good to leave out too.
e) Exercise for fitness and tone NOT muscle, Pilates seems a really good option?
f) Progesterone. This is to be the next tool to add to my toolbox. Not talking from experience yet, but used thoughtfully this looks like it could be very effective for what we are talking about here.
The hardest bit though is patience. To try and achieve a substantial weight loss is tough at any time. To add into the mix NBE makes the battle harder..... but not impossible..... Perhaps it's just me, but having the double target of loosing the belly and gaining some curves is proving to be an added incentive? Plus, we can prove to ourselves this clearly works! The first time you notice soft skin on YOUR body is amazing!
ps. Was joking about the massaging the fat to where we want it :-) Had in mind a couple of YouTube vids where someone just squeezed the fat around to where they wanted it. sigh....