I am coming to this discussion rather late, and do not intend to make a loud noise about it because there has already been much said about it, positions taken, ideas presented, etc.. I do think it is worth pointing out that folks in our various (our wonderfully various) situations suffer the most from people who do not like to see or hear opinions that are in conflict with their own. Breaking into smaller groups, trying to hide away from those who do not like us, suppressing discussion, none of these serves our social purposes although these actions are certainly survival techniques in a sometimes cruel world. The existing moderation behind the scenes as well as the active group response to conflicts seem to me to be doing fine at not permitting things to devolve irretrievably on these forums.
Creating separate sections/sub-forums/etc. is valid for making it easier to focus discussions. I do not have the understanding that this proposed cliquey setup would provide any such benefit. It feels more to me like the feminists who abhor trans-women for trying to muscle into female territory.
For me, breasts are breasts are breasts, no matter who has them. I see no difference between them based on why someone wants them, nor does your body know why you want them. Your herbs, your synthetics, your pumps and toys, none of these knows why you want breasts or cares. Creating online spaces to make it easier to keep out anyone in conflict with your motives can be done, it is done all the time. But you have to realize you not only haven't actually gotten rid of them, you have in truth strengthened their view of themselves by not exposing them to us. Every time you peek out over your wall, the eyes that look back will be less understanding, less knowledgeable, less accustomed to you and harder to co-exist with.
I say no to any separation of forums by who is in them instead of by the topic to be discussed. We will always have problems with trolls, there are other ways to handle them.
Oh, and if you do create a new forum, I vote for the name "Breast Growth for Genetic Males". discuss...
Creating separate sections/sub-forums/etc. is valid for making it easier to focus discussions. I do not have the understanding that this proposed cliquey setup would provide any such benefit. It feels more to me like the feminists who abhor trans-women for trying to muscle into female territory.
For me, breasts are breasts are breasts, no matter who has them. I see no difference between them based on why someone wants them, nor does your body know why you want them. Your herbs, your synthetics, your pumps and toys, none of these knows why you want breasts or cares. Creating online spaces to make it easier to keep out anyone in conflict with your motives can be done, it is done all the time. But you have to realize you not only haven't actually gotten rid of them, you have in truth strengthened their view of themselves by not exposing them to us. Every time you peek out over your wall, the eyes that look back will be less understanding, less knowledgeable, less accustomed to you and harder to co-exist with.
I say no to any separation of forums by who is in them instead of by the topic to be discussed. We will always have problems with trolls, there are other ways to handle them.
Oh, and if you do create a new forum, I vote for the name "Breast Growth for Genetic Males". discuss...