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perhaps it is all my free floating t,e,e-i-i-o ,but my head is spinning...i started reading from page 1 on through to this page. it has been some time since i as on here, (personal issues).

i had read somewhere that the spearmint helps the sp to work better, not sure if this is true.

Welcome back, I've never heard that SP benefits spearmint, I see them compared against each quite often though.

i did however find that taking sp without spearmint only made me want to have sex .(sorry to be blunt). perhaps is a placibo effect but i do think spearmint is actually clearing the way for the sp. since adding it with sp i have seemingly noticed my breasts a bit more looser than previous and a bit more stretchable such as nipples and such.

Ok lol, no problem!, everybody reacts differently, though SP usually is known for tanking libidos. I took SP in the beginning and eliminated it due to the fact it has anti-estrogenic properties.

i am also using pm in a drink form. though it is chalky tasting i add spearmint oil as well as a few droms of wild yam extract. i seem to be tingly down there when aroused now,feelings/pleasure center shifted to surrouning skin instead of the unwanted appendige which seems to be atrophying to my wishes .

Are you saying that you mix bulk PM with different liquids or you're buying it pre-mixed?. One of the ingredients in PM called daidzein can create anti-androgenic effects, Similarly for daidzein and two of its metabolites, equol and O-desmethylangolensin, has a binding affinity to ER[alpha] is found to be 103-104 fold lower than the endogenous estrogen estradiol. So depending on how much you PM you take it could explain the atrophy, much to your dismay.


By modulating androgen receptor coactivators, daidzein may act as a phytoandrogen
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17252558

somewhere else i also read that fenugreek may actually increase testosterone, which surprised me. i was on it to promote lactation. sorry i a ramling. i do have a question: should you/could you take sp,wp,reishi,pm,wy (sp,wp,reishi,spearmint all being anti androegnic,will they contraindicate/work against each other or will they all compound?)

WP and Reishi would be sufficient, wild yam or fenugreek for progesterone and prolactin is ok.

There was small study on fenugreek where they reported over the course of the study, total and bioavailable (“free”) testosterone increased 6.57% and 12.26%, respectively, in the subjects taking fenugreek. Estradiol and DHT levels also increased (26.6% and 6.10%, respectively), though not significantly.