[TibetanPrincess]

Perversion- Anything can be perverted, including non sexual things like death, pain, eating, etc. And in this case, its the perversity the female identity. For many women, its hard enough to keep up, we'd like to think we are fulfilling this role just fine in a relationship, whether its our nurturing qualities, giving life, being the female that is in need and supporting her her male companion, staying in our attractive prime as long as possible. Feeling sexy and feminine is just a small portion of what a real woman truly is.

I totally disagree with this statement. Perversion is most often associated with sexual behavior that is considered particularly abnormal, repulsive or obsessive. Perversion is open to often one sided interpretation and is normally used as a derogatory term. Nothing in my need to feminize is anything to do with sex. I have a mismatch in my gender identity. Genetic male but mentally mostly female.

Oh, of course you do, the way you took it. You did not understand what I was saying, maybe it wasn't clear enough on my part. As I mentioned, anything can be perverted and even being in a non sexual way. I already know that its not always a sexual thing with CD.

per·vert
verb
pərˈvərt/
1.
alter (something) from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended.
"he was charged with conspiring to pervert the course of justice"
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That was what I was saying, perversion of the female identity. I never mentioned doing CD strictly it out of a sexual need.

If many of us women that are fulfilling the wife role, feel desired, yet naturally feminine by the attention of our companions alone; without expressing materialistic feminine habits, then why should any man feel they need to express materialistic feminine habits when they have their attentive companions beside them?

I don't feel the need to "express materialistic feminine habits". I want to change my outward appearance to better match my identity.


But that's the thing what is that to you? And what exactly do you wish to accomplish with your appearance? Is it just pure enjoyment on your part? Or is it how the world views you? And if so, do you wish to be seen as a man to be femmed up abit? Is there a desire to pass as a female and to be treated as a lady at times? There is a reason that you want to show it (if its out in public). Now if its only intimate, whole notha story.

These habits of material expression are cross-dressing in lingerie, expressing the female identity on the outside -cosmetics, wardrobe, hair, nails, going the extra mile to alter the voice, posture, mannerisms, things you may not have naturally expressed during or before the marriage, or even in your youth. This is where the female identity becomes perverted.

But in my mind these things should be normality and a matter of choice. It's putting cloths on and make choices on your appearance. It's what you do every morning when you wake up or when you get ready to leave the house.

What most made me sickened by the site was the "destroy him in every possible way" attitude.

Denita

Look, I find men sexy in a little eyeliner and long flowing hair so that is no issue, clean shaven. Have I ever mentioned, I LOVE and am obsessed with the Hairspray Rock Era of the late 70's and 80's! Tight pants, makeup, hair, you bring it, Ill live a fantasy, but these rockers were still men, sexy and masculine enough.

Back to fem expression whys. so that's great and all, but I don't want to have to treat him like a man would treat a woman. Its how he wears it, if he wears makeup and clothing in desires to be treated as a woman by the world, that's where I personally find an issue if it were me having my husband beside me. Its just unnecessary. And I would never treat him like garbage, ever because he is still someone special!Now, I have never been in a CD sit, so I have no idea what I would actually do or how I would feel. Its just a hypothetical opinion.[/b]

So yes, its true on what you said, getting ready everymorning and doing your regi for your identity is normal and what everyone does.

As I have seen in the forum, the wives find their husband's CD'ing to do with dips of wanting to be seen in some way as a female, so they feel its a form of entitlement (that nature has not given them), appalling and selfish.

If you have the feminine side of your self internally, why do you have to portray it on the outside? Many wives NEED to know. If the most important ones in your life know you inside, what does it matter that you look more male on the outside?
This is what is leading me to think for some that it must have to do with how you want others to treat you, now if its only in private, I can see it would be a totally different reason , but that's just it, every one is different, there's no telling, only that person. All I see are a bunch of confused, distraught women and men fighting a part of themselves about it.

I personally love it when a man is not all macho. I hate that so much. I love a more understanding, soft hearted man. At the same time, I want to be the female in the relationship, its just the way it is for most straight women. Though I feel I have an inner male side too and find women attractive, but Nature gave me a V and with that comes pride to be female desire of my male partner.


Now this thing about matching your inner with your outer, if its entirely only for you, fine! Now if you have this idea of expressing yourself for others to accept you, you are always going to be in a world of hurt, its because if its feminizing that you are doing, you must remember how the world of most straight people will see you, and that is either male or female. How will they treat you? Like a lady? Or a man? Do you prefer to be called, sir or madam? Would it bother you if you were treated as a sir when you are out and about femmed up?Or is it just comforting to switch up a style yet have the world see that you are all male but in fashionable attire. Its diff for everyone, I know. But its you that has to figure out why you do it and why it bothers you that the world is not accepting. To be honest, I think the lesson here is compassion on both ends, the wives and husbands who CD.
I dont think you will see a change in the world in your lifetime, but maybe it will happen one day.

natures IDEAL (yes, I know of strange common happenings in nature) is either male or female for the most part and thats what the world is familiar with. I would think it'd be easier to choose a sex and go on with life (for some of you). SO many shades of gray here. But that's life. Why be miserable. Just accept that there are always going to be folks who will never get it. Also, Id spend more time finding someone who accepts me rather than trying to get my partner to understand. And we all know, you will find out real quick if its good with your partner.

@ Clara, yes, Im just gathering from what those wives are posting about.