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I hope this helps to offer some clarity and to debunk Ms. Rice's statements.

I'm sorry, Meow, but nothing is clear. What has Ms. Rice stated that is incorrect and why?

Clara Kay

Hi ClaraKay:
Sorry about my post and any confusion that it may have caused. I hope this helps to clear up any confusion, but more or less what I was trying to say is that Ms. Rice’s claims that phytoestrogens are weak and therefore will not help us to grow breasts is incorrect. Also, that phytoestrogens will not always prevent stronger estrogen compounds from attaching to the estrogen receptors and therefore prevent breast growth.

Phytoestrogens may act as an inhibitor in some cases, sure, because if it is introduced first and latches onto the receptor first, then it blocks out whatever other estrogen compound from coming in and latching on.

Think of it as a first come first serve basis. I have a really silly example to try to demonstrate my point. Please don’t laugh as it is the only example I could think of just now. :p

Say we both have the same amount of money (think of this as in we are both potential estrogens and want to latch on to something) and want the same pair of shoes (the estrogen receptor). I get out of work earlier than you because my boss was nice to me that day (I was introduced into the body first) and so I went to the store and got the shoes first (I latched onto the estrogen receptor first). Does this mean that because I got the shoes first that I am stronger, smarter, richer, more powerful, evil, etc. than you? Nope. All it means is that I got there first and I inhibited you from buying the pair of shoes, just because my boss let me out of work early that day.

Specifically, I was referencing Ms. Rice’s work from this website: http://www.womenswellnessconsulting.com/pro_active_protocol/estrogen_101/index.html

And specifically on that page, I was referencing this text:
“Phytoestrogens are plant-based estrogens. The 2 most prominent sources are soy and flax, although there are some herbs that act as SERMs (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators) these include Red Clover, Black Cohosh and European Rosemary. Phytoestrogens have a weak estrogenic effect. They are thought to benefit breast health by locking onto estrogen receptors in breast tissue and thus preventing the stronger and more dangerous estrogen compounds from entering."

The part that I was referencing that was incorrect is Ms. Rice’s above statement: “Phytoestrogens have a weak estrogenic effect.”

When in fact, phytoestrogens are actually quite potent, as referenced throughout the scientific literature. I posted one link as an example (http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/endo.139.10.6216)
Here is a recent study just published that shows how awesomely potent phytoestrogens can be by Kelly et al., Estrogen receptor alpha augments changes in hemostatic gene expression in HepG2 cells treated with estradiol and phytoestrogens
In Phytomedicine
Volume 21, Issue 2, 15 January 2014, Pages 155–158
(http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0944711313002754).

Also, it has more or less been proven that black cohosh really isn’t a phytoestrogen in recent years. We can find this in a recent scientific peer reviewed article at this link: http://journals.lww.com/hnpjournal/Citation/2012/01000/Menopause__A_Standardized_Isopropanolic_Black.8.aspx
We even found via a meta analysis that it does little to impact estradiol or other estrogens. http://ict.sagepub.com/content/13/1/12.short There is a free link to the PDF of this article if you do a scholar.google.com search. I don’t really know how to upload the PDF and do a share link to share it all with you for free, so I am sorry about that… :/ I think I attached it to this post, if I did not, sorry!

I hope this helps. ☺