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The Topical Cream Protocol (by Lotus & Heavens Night)

(29-01-2026, 06:56 PM)Heaven's Night Wrote:  
(29-01-2026, 06:29 PM)prostatenipple Wrote:  Thank you Smile

Interesting reading.

I do have 3 or so tubes of DHEA cream from Biovea still. And 2 of progesterone cream.

From what you are saying, I should start using just the DHEA cream on my breasts and nipples and skip PM. And maybe use Progesterone cream.
Right?

I've budded on both sides, one side the NHS confirmed with ultrasound, the other side feels the same (but slightly smaller).

I dont have a big chest at all, looks quite small. Am I still in the phase that needs more estrogen (and therefore just DHEA cream) instead of in the phase where I need to work on side branching with Prog?

Earlier posts were confusing because it seemed like the TCP needed 3 things: estrogen cream, dhea cream, and progesterone cream. And maybe even RC in a cream suspension.

What is the normal DHEA / prog dose?
Each pump of the Biovea DHEA cream is 15mg DHEA, so that's 4 pumps per day, with 2 pumps in the morning and 2 pumps in the evening?
How much Prog cream should I use at this stage, if any at all?


Thank you!
I have lots of RR extract and spearmint and I can get more.

I'm not extire sure about the use of PM on the side of this, but I would just skip it just to be sure there wont be receptor conflicts. And because there are so many better methods than PM. I'm obviously talking about bioidentical hormone treatments, TCP being one of them. And then of course using plant based stuff and vitamins, amino acids etc. to boost the effects and for the health benefits.

Don't overlook progesterone regardless of your development phase, its likely beneficial even at the very beginning. This is a thing that's about school of thought, people have differing ideas on how to proceed with Prog, I think it should be there all the way, especially when on conventional HRT. You don't need to worry about which way your boobs grow at first as they're following your genetic map for it and beginning stages are mostly all projection for quite long time. In T3 there's some fullness and T4 stage is almost solely projection and finally in T5 its both biut mostly side branching. That's the normal way it goes but there's a ton of YMMV situation here. Not two people are perfectly alike.

Those are the main ingredients of it which work amazingly together, but its DHEA and prog which together domost of the heavy lifting. It will work without additional estradiol, but having that makes it a bit more efficient. I'm speaking from my personal experience on this. 

There is no "normal" dose, just what has been recommended. I did 30mg/30mg on both of them at first, then later with some tweaking with how I'm sourcing stuff I've upped the DHEA incrementally and noted that higher is a bit better, with obviously effective dose starting at 50mg and getting better when higher. This may have quite a bit of individual variance. The 60mg split morning and evening is Lotus's recommendation. With prog it seems that more is more, I've been taking 200mg, right now on alternating days I take it boofed and on TCP days topically. 

I don't really know what to recommend as some kind of a one size fits all dosing, I think Lotus had a good idea on her recs, based on the idea of using the ready made creams for those doses obviously makes sense. For me, both quite a lot higher has been better approach as I've made it bit more affordable. (Note that the herbal additions, absorbtion enchancer etc., make TCP quite expensive, the basic form of it is cheaper.)

Perhaps you should use same dosing on both DHEA and Prog creams as you have them readily available?

This is what my topical program is currently, done every other day:
Approx 1ts 25% DMSO cream
200mg Prog from capsule
125mg Micronised DHEA as powder from capsules
2mg E2 from Estrogel
10 drops 100% Volufiline oil
20 drops RC extract
20 drops Ginseng extract
128ng(Nanograms) IGF-1 from 8 sprays Deer Antler Velvet
10000iu Vitamin D3

RC, Ginseng and Deer Antler Velvet are applied on and around areolas after the rest of the stuff is applied to keep it all in the target area. I took a break from having Cayenne extract in the mix due to my neck and shoulders having an eczema flare going on. Getting capsiacin on already inflamed and broken skin makes things a lot worse so I'm off of it for now.

Thanks HN, really much appreciated.

I will order more DHEA and Prog cream - biovea has a promotion before 1st Feb, so will grab some more.
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