[Sandy77]

Over the past couple of years I read the same questions and a variety of answers, so I spent time reading posts from Lotus and others on this site as well as external sources and I discovered that the science behind BO isn’t as complicated as it seems. Now…I’ll probably get slammed by those wanting to fact check, but I have my disclaimers: playing with bodily systems is risky. From liver to kidney and from limbic to blood clots, this is a personal choice that one needs to address. Two, every body is different, so what works for one, may not work for another. Having said that, NBE using BO is not that different than bread making…let me explain:

BO up-regulates aromatase an enzyme that converts T into E…OK? I will compare aromatase to yeast…just as yeast needs sugar to to perform, so does aromatase need T in order to do its job. Well, Salt will regulate and kill off yeast, so too will DHT, stop the process. Simplistic? Sure, but it makes sense. Also, aromatase needs T in order to function, so no T…no E. 

Putting it all together, BO increases aromatase activity. It works best with PG because PG stimulates the pituitary gland that causes the release of hormones, for men T in particular. RR stops the conversion of T into DHT which inhibits aromatase. Any medication that inhibits T production will inhibit aromatase activity. BO, like proofing bread needs a specific temperature, above 98.2 for BO.

So, everything I have read and experienced the main players are:

BO, RR, PG, and kelp supplements taken in the afternoon and evening.

One can add an estrogenic herb like Hops and an aromatase booster like genistein, a precursor like Mexican Yam and say a prolactin source like fenugreek, taken in the morning.

Point of no return? I think that’s unknown. The longer one is on these, probably the longer it’ll take to slow the process. Can one return? I don’t believe so. Breast development is permanent, and after several months, I think one becomes sterilized. 

How long it takes for DHT to resume for the herbs to be fully metabolized, I haven’t found any answers. Remember though, even as your body works toward male chemistry, your body is still performing making Estrogen, so continued growth is likely…could be several months, could be a year. I guess it best summed up with: “ if you can’t do the time…”

Amounts? Don’t over do it! Less is more and LISTEN TO YOUR BODY. 

Again, I’m not a doctor, not a scientist, just one who’s done a ton of reading and have found consistent posts and documents here and externally and simply putting 2 + 2. It’s just my 2 cents worth.

[Curvyguy]

I guess you have a good point there everyone is different and these phytoestrogens effect everyone differently. You have those that feminise faster than others due to body chemistry and if they also born with intersex traits. We are all unique and its all personal choice you do you and be who you want to be male, female or somewhere in between that's what life's about.

[flamesabers]

Hello Sandy,

Welcome to the forum! 

[Heaven's Night]

The aromatase effect of BO can't be and isn't the only thing it does. I'm on Bica, that's effectively "reserving" or shutting down T receptors,I'm on oral DHEA so I should have extra T floating around but unable on acting much. And yet Bovine Ovary (+pit + Uterine) has been doing its thing insanly well for a long time.

The logic about the aromatase effect is correct, but its more complicated than that.

What about dosing then, I've done small dose, moderate dose, so called optimal and then I've doubled from there, no bad effects. No one knows what is "a lot" on this stuff, clearly what I'm doing is not too much as otherwise something would have gone wrong by now. I keep telling people to find a dose on which it works nicely and then keep it there as more might just end up blowing up their stock too soon without much additional effect. 

The stuff you listed to be taken together make sense. Kelp isn't a must, the iodine in it is what is important. I switched kelp for a good multivitamin ages ago, one which contains same amount of iodine. I'm not sure if that's a thing for everybody though, I got explosive breast development from just starting on BO without the kelp/multivitamin, then kept it going just in case and for the health benefit.

Then again, I might be a biased example of how glandular therapy might work, my body isn't male but intersex and I reacted to BO in quite extreme way. There was obvious growth spurt going on within three weeks.

There's been quite a lot of talk about BO from newbies lately, I don't know if it should be pointed out that its not the magic bullet for titties, it works kinda randomly likely based on hormone balance and genetics. But its worth a try, as part of well thought out NBE regimen or on side of conventional HRT it can be amazing help.