[ILoveCold]

TLDR - How much saponin/grams of fenugreek you need. 

Hi everyone so since this year I've been really meaning to start on an NBE routine but iunfortunately couldn't stay on a proper routine because of finances etc. Now that i have more more flexibility I want to start on a proper and consistent routine. Thinking of using Fenugreek+ Licorice Root + Green Tea extract and Spearmint Tea.

Now for fenugreek the best i can find here is Swanson's 500mg %50 saponins, 90 capsules. Which gives you 22.5 grams of saponins for one bottle. I was wondering if it's enough or not. Also for same price of a bottle i could get like, 7 kilos of ground fenugreek, which doesn't have as much saponins per gram but quantity could make up for it especially with such high amount. 7000 grams of fenugreek, if we assume it has %5 saponins per gram, would have 300 grams of saponins total. But would have to consume high amounts for that everyday.

Sooo which one would be better to go with?

[Denisem]

I am interested in this too, thanks!

[prostatenipple]

Fenugreek I used to buy was 14g (yes, grams, like 14,000mg) per capsule (maybe per serving, where a serving is 2 capsules?) extract that was 90% saponins.

Don't know if it did anything to me.
I use PM for my phytoestrogen. 

More recent FG I have used is this one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155349899846
One serving is 2 capsules, for 1200mg per serving of the extract, which is 840mg saponins and something with 70% active ingredient.
Again, cant comment if this one worked either. Just shows the level of FG that you might aim for.
At 20:1 extract, that's 24g of raw FG per serving, right?

500mg per capsule in Swansons seems a bit too small, unless you are popping several pills a day. Are you sure it's not an extract?

You should have a look at FG side-effects, like it decreasing blood sugar, so be careful if you are diabetic.

On the old 'girly-thread' from an old chat in 2015 some posters had good effects from FG + spearmint tea, so I think it's good you are trying that.

Hello, girls! I have just ordered 200 g of PM from Ainterol, 50 g of 1:10 saw palmetto extract, 500 g of fenugreek powder and 1 pound of spearmint tea. My first month plan is to start from 500 mg of PM, 0,05 g of saw palmetto extract, 1 g of fenugreek powder, 1 cup of spearmint tea per day and finish with 2000 mg of PM, 0,5 g of saw palmetto extract, 8-10 g of fenugreek powder, 3 cups of spearmint tea per day.

Some notes I saved:

> The FG should be a minimum of 50% saponins, which means the less you'd have to take vs. an average otc store brand, 2 capsules was enough (still is) for me.

> My only source of Progesterone is fenugreek, and I take only 2,300 mg: enough to prevent Estrogen dominance, but not enough to get rounded breasts|

> While FG is a good choice, if I'm not mistaken, Lotus once wrote that in terms of Phytoestrogen strength, Pueraria Mirifica was #1 and Red Clover is #2, followed by Fenugreek & others.

> I am saying that FG is an effective Phytoestrogen... yes. However, as you may well know, an Anti-androgen accompaniment (such as RR or WP or Finasteride) makes it more effective. Add Progesterone Cream (wild yam) to give it all a real boost. These things work synergistically to bring the magic.

I started much lower, but over time I built up to taking at least 10 grams fenugreek and 4 grams saw palmetto a day for several months. Sometimes I'd be taking FG up to 20 grams a day.
It's generally regarded as safe up to 100grams/day, but do not take it if you suffer from low blood sugar.

Fenugreek is just not as strong as PM, but it should have an effect with a high enough dose. I started with SP and lots of fenugreek. About 15grams fenugreek and approx 10 grams of SP daily. Also threw in milk thistle and red clover at lower levels.

[ILoveCold]

Fenugreek I used to buy was 14g (yes, grams, like 14,000mg) per capsule (maybe per serving, where a serving is 2 capsules?) extract that was 90% saponins.

Don't know if it did anything to me.
I use PM for my phytoestrogen. 

More recent FG I have used is this one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155349899846
One serving is 2 capsules, for 1200mg per serving of the extract, which is 840mg saponins and something with 70% active ingredient.
Again, cant comment if this one worked either. Just shows the level of FG that you might aim for.
At 20:1 extract, that's 24g of raw FG per serving, right?

500mg per capsule in Swansons seems a bit too small, unless you are popping several pills a day. Are you sure it's not an extract?

You should have a look at FG side-effects, like it decreasing blood sugar, so be careful if you are diabetic.

On the old 'girly-thread' from an old chat in 2015 some posters had good effects from FG + spearmint tea, so I think it's good you are trying that.

Hello, girls! I have just ordered 200 g of PM from Ainterol, 50 g of 1:10 saw palmetto extract, 500 g of fenugreek powder and 1 pound of spearmint tea. My first month plan is to start from 500 mg of PM, 0,05 g of saw palmetto extract, 1 g of fenugreek powder, 1 cup of spearmint tea per day and finish with 2000 mg of PM, 0,5 g of saw palmetto extract, 8-10 g of fenugreek powder, 3 cups of spearmint tea per day.

Some notes I saved:

> The FG should be a minimum of 50% saponins, which means the less you'd have to take vs. an average otc store brand, 2 capsules was enough (still is) for me.

> My only source of Progesterone is fenugreek, and I take only 2,300 mg: enough to prevent Estrogen dominance, but not enough to get rounded breasts|

> While FG is a good choice, if I'm not mistaken, Lotus once wrote that in terms of Phytoestrogen strength, Pueraria Mirifica was #1 and Red Clover is #2, followed by Fenugreek & others.

> I am saying that FG is an effective Phytoestrogen... yes. However, as you may well know, an Anti-androgen accompaniment (such as RR or WP or Finasteride) makes it more effective. Add Progesterone Cream (wild yam) to give it all a real boost. These things work synergistically to bring the magic.

I started much lower, but over time I built up to taking at least 10 grams fenugreek and 4 grams saw palmetto a day for several months. Sometimes I'd be taking FG up to 20 grams a day.
It's generally regarded as safe up to 100grams/day, but do not take it if you suffer from low blood sugar.

Fenugreek is just not as strong as PM, but it should have an effect with a high enough dose. I started with SP and lots of fenugreek. About 15grams fenugreek and approx 10 grams of SP daily. Also threw in milk thistle and red clover at lower levels.

Yes it is an extract, does that change anything?