[Lotus]

Thanks for sharing Lotus!

Hugs!

~H

Thanks DDs, you always have kind words and support for folks here, many thanks.

[Lotus]

in keeping with the thread, there are ERa receptors and ERb receptors, is there anywhere that lists which herbs are which? I havnt researched that yet.. perhaps I should

got this so far.. (hopefully its not a copy elsewhere).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/2100/

Estrogen receptor alpha ERa is the growth receptor
Estrogen receptor beta ERb protects against cancer

Breast growth requires supplements that are pro ERa, having a good ratio of ERa to ERa is a proactive step in achieving normal growth vs malignant growth.

Botanical Modulation of Menopausal Symptoms: Mechanisms of Action?
https://www.thieme-connect.com/products/...32-1328187

ah nice! ty.. and here I have been fiddling around all day with ERa and ERb , ER1 and ER2 explorations

Credit Dynseli for the find. (5-16-14)

[Lotus]

Shouldn't fat-redistribution be known as fat feminization instead?????

" High concentration of steroids are also found in adipose tissue, although this is not a target for hormone action. In the human male, adipose tissue contains aromatase activity, and seems to be the main source of androgen-derived estrogens found in the circulation. "
http://www.gfmer.ch/Books/Reproductive_h...olism.html

[pom19]

Shouldn't fat-redistribution be known as fat feminization instead?????

" High concentration of steroids are also found in adipose tissue, although this is not a target for hormone action. In the human male, adipose tissue contains aromatase activity, and seems to be the main source of androgen-derived estrogens found in the circulation. "
http://www.gfmer.ch/Books/Reproductive_h...olism.html

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Thanks for this Lotus. POM

[tanysquirrel]

Shouldn't fat-redistribution be known as fat feminization instead?????

" High concentration of steroids are also found in adipose tissue, although this is not a target for hormone action. In the human male, adipose tissue contains aromatase activity, and seems to be the main source of androgen-derived estrogens found in the circulation. "
http://www.gfmer.ch/Books/Reproductive_h...olism.html

so then, if it is site-specific, then wouldn't adding forskolin (aromatizing agent) + Progesterone cream( upregulates aromatization of forskolin ), to fatty tissue. do you think adding it to fat in breast or thighs, or buttocks, upregulate the aromatization then?

[Lotus]

Shouldn't fat-redistribution be known as fat feminization instead?????

" High concentration of steroids are also found in adipose tissue, although this is not a target for hormone action. In the human male, adipose tissue contains aromatase activity, and seems to be the main source of androgen-derived estrogens found in the circulation. "
http://www.gfmer.ch/Books/Reproductive_h...olism.html

so then, if it is site-specific, then wouldn't adding forskolin (aromatizing agent) + Progesterone cream( upregulates aromatization of forskolin ), to fatty tissue. do you think adding it to fat in breast or thighs, or buttocks, upregulate the aromatization then?

Thanks Pom

@Tanya, good question. This fat feminization thing has been bouncing around (like s ping-pong ball lol ) in my head for awhile. It seems to me thast when subcutaneous fat is changed to female pattern it's our signal things are working and the green light to boost feminization is on like donkey kong.

Take the potential of aromatase being stored in fat tissue—certain actions release this stored action (aromatase). Green tea, forskolin, HGH, MSM, vitaminD, Leptin, intermittent fasting, (and others) make it possible.

To get direct peripheral synthesis you need some sort of muscle depletion ( Exercise ), the higher the intensity the bigger yield. I like to think of it as body re-sculpting too. The question is to supplement pre or post work out.

Fat feminzation takes time, 1-2 years. So, in other-words........burn some fat!! (re: release of aromatase) then new fat is transformed (Feminized) to typical female pattern. Simple huh?.

PC helps to clear the field of steroids, most importantly DHT, prolactin and estrogens too. Imo, PC has to be part of this cycle of " burn fat/build fat " albiet a restructure of fat cells/tissues. Think about it, PC inhibits DHT while helping build side branching (ductal) tissue growth, (rounding too). Something new I tried was to use PC while pumping. Crazy part was the domes steamed up rather quickly, then next day I noted some roundness. I hardly pump anymore, but this experiment intrigued me, I might add this 2-3x a week. Anyways......I think of PC being a " pre "-aromatase promoter simply because of how it sets up aromatase after the PC cycle.

So.....use NBE products that create this tissue synthesis (as listed above). I visualize my body doing its own version of swoop and scooping to my hips and boobs for this process.

[tanysquirrel]

Imo, PC has to be part of this cycle of " burn fat/build fat " albiet a restructure of fat cells/tissues. Think about it, PC inhibits DHT while helping build side branching (ductal) tissue growth, (rounding too). Something new I tried was to use PC while pumping. Crazy part was the domes steamed up rather quickly, then next day I noted some roundness.

ironically, I had done the same with my domes and pc one night ( I was bored) , and had the same steamy result! it was like a booby greenhouse , so I can scientifically verify that there is a possibility that there is something going on

what I am wondering is this: if steam was a result, meaning there was a thermogenic reaction, if applying the Bovine ovary vodka as well, would induce immediate absorbtion and sythnthesis of that into breast growth. Since it has been said that when orally taken bovine ovary needs a body temp of a certain temp.. .hhmmm might have to experiment tonight

[Lotus]

Imo, PC has to be part of this cycle of " burn fat/build fat " albiet a restructure of fat cells/tissues. Think about it, PC inhibits DHT while helping build side branching (ductal) tissue growth, (rounding too). Something new I tried was to use PC while pumping. Crazy part was the domes steamed up rather quickly, then next day I noted some roundness.

ironically, I had done the same with my domes and pc one night ( I was bored) , and had the same steamy result! it was like a booby greenhouse , so I can scientifically verify that there is a possibility that there is something going on

what I am wondering is this: if steam was a result, meaning there was a thermogenic reaction, if applying the Bovine ovary vodka as well, would induce immediate absorbtion and sythnthesis of that into breast growth. Since it has been said that when orally taken bovine ovary needs a body temp of a certain temp.. .hhmmm might have to experiment tonight

Ah, lol very cool. The steamy bit has to be thermogenesis, in my case it steamed up almost immediately (prior to pumping too). Applying BO.V???, lol I hope it works

[tanysquirrel]

Imo, PC has to be part of this cycle of " burn fat/build fat " albiet a restructure of fat cells/tissues. Think about it, PC inhibits DHT while helping build side branching (ductal) tissue growth, (rounding too). Something new I tried was to use PC while pumping. Crazy part was the domes steamed up rather quickly, then next day I noted some roundness.

ironically, I had done the same with my domes and pc one night ( I was bored) , and had the same steamy result! it was like a booby greenhouse , so I can scientifically verify that there is a possibility that there is something going on

what I am wondering is this: if steam was a result, meaning there was a thermogenic reaction, if applying the Bovine ovary vodka as well, would induce immediate absorbtion and sythnthesis of that into breast growth. Since it has been said that when orally taken bovine ovary needs a body temp of a certain temp.. .hhmmm might have to experiment tonight

Ah, lol very cool. The steamy bit has to be thermogenesis, in my case it steamed up almost immediately (prior to pumping too). Applying BO.V???, lol I hope it works

my only question is : if PC is in direct contact with the bovine ovary vodka (estrogenic-ish), wont that be counter-productive? or do you think it would work synergistically....

[Lotus]

Hypothetically?, I would think the amino acids in BO mixing with PC could upregulate protein synthesis............put it to a test tonight, I'll bring the chips n' dip too watch, oh and do save some vodka.