15-05-2016, 11:55 PM
Lotus,,,When you mentioned the study on lavender and tea tree oil by the New England Journal,, it got me wondering why so few accounts were used in their study,, and then the the things i suggested came to mind,
(16-05-2016, 12:27 AM)Lotus Wrote: their study,, and then the the things i suggested came to mind,
Well that's been the hot topic since the 2007 study (why a small study) it's a good question for the scientists for. My guess is that was isolated to those 3 boys because of their gynecomastia, (I dunno). But.........you'll find rebuttals all over the scientific community disputing the results.
Like I said lol, keep an open mind and evaluate all the data.
[/quot Wrote:You seem to know a lot Lotus and I envy what you have accomplished! When you first started NBE did you have a flat chest? if so, what did you do to get breast growth? Also, what is SP and PC?
(10-05-2016, 07:06 PM)Lotus Wrote:(10-05-2016, 02:28 PM)jannet.duff Wrote: So if I read between the lines, pharma HRT effects ER-a, but PM effects ER-b. So, if I add some PM back into the mix it should assist growth rather than hinder it.
Yes E2 binds with ER-a, however!........bioidentical progesterone is still needed to complete ductal side branching (rounding). Too much prolactin produces tubular growth, while E2 produces elongation. Add in growth hormone and essential fatty acids and hopefully things start happening lol, (albeit a slow process).
I still wouldn't use PM with HrT:
Quote:miroestrol competes with estrogen and blocks the excessive stimulation of estrogen receptors often seen with breast or endometrial cancer.
(16-05-2016, 01:54 AM)sabrielx92 Wrote: You seem to know a lot Lotus and I envy what you have accomplished! When you first started NBE did you have a flat chest? if so, what did you do to get breast growth? Also, what is SP and PC?
(15-05-2016, 11:40 PM)Tanya Marie Squirrel Wrote: wow lotus! not only is this thread up to 370 pages, but it now has 374,800 views! Epic Threads in history!.
(16-05-2016, 11:48 PM)bobie Wrote:(10-05-2016, 07:06 PM)Lotus Wrote:(10-05-2016, 02:28 PM)jannet.duff Wrote: So if I read between the lines, pharma HRT effects ER-a, but PM effects ER-b. So, if I add some PM back into the mix it should assist growth rather than hinder it.
Yes E2 binds with ER-a, however!........bioidentical progesterone is still needed to complete ductal side branching (rounding). Too much prolactin produces tubular growth, while E2 produces elongation. Add in growth hormone and essential fatty acids and hopefully things start happening lol, (albeit a slow process).
I still wouldn't use PM with HrT:
Quote:miroestrol competes with estrogen and blocks the excessive stimulation of estrogen receptors often seen with breast or endometrial cancer.
How much prolactin is too much? as you may remember my levels have always been high, nearly double what the nhs would like at my last blood test