[hannah]

Lotus, could there be side effects from 'blocking' androgens over time? Or can you do this for longer periods? And thank you for the information

[Koko]

Lotus,

I was wondering if Vitex and PM may be used in the same program? I was thinking of low dose PM during folli and vitex all throughout...?

Hi Koko,

I think it could work, I don't see any conflicts.

Great! Thanks.

[EvaMarie]

Just popped 200mg prometrium and Im trying to make sense of all this but I have a headache:

[Lotus]

Just popped 200mg prometrium and Im trying to make sense of all this but I have a headache:

Lol, that's ok, I need to get my eyes checked again , at first I thought you said I just pooped 200mg of prometrium.

Eva, how long you you been taking the new "bio identical stuff"?

[Lotus]

Lotus, could there be side effects from 'blocking' androgens over time? Or can you do this for longer periods? And thank you for the information

That's a great question Hannah,

Much of what you find is on androgen access, but there is something called androgen deprivation therapy or ADT for short, but even that is suggested in male prostrate cancer therapy.

From what I've seen, long term ADT in women could result in reduced libido, cognitive skills, skin, menstrual, bone and metabolism issues.

Over half the androgens in women come DHEA and DHEAS, but without Testoserone there wouldn't be estrogen, that's science for yeah.

[Lotus]

Lotus,

I was wondering if Vitex and PM may be used in the same program? I was thinking of low dose PM during folli and vitex all throughout...?

Hi Koko,

I think it could work, I don't see any conflicts.

Great! Thanks.

Anytime

[EvaMarie]

I bet, thats a lot to try to digest!!! Ive been taking prometrium since about a month after I started on HRT or about 10 1/2 months... Ive always cycled it 2-3 weeks on and 1-2 weeks off.... Im 2 days back on the P and they are getting fuller and sore all over again... When Im off P they seem to lose fullness and gain projection then round out on the P and the cycle keeps repeating... Its SLOW but they are getting there, I can sometimes even pass the pencil test now

[The First Aria]

Eva, just looked that drug up. WOW, I hope you are under constant care. Sounds like it can be scary.

[EvaMarie]

Its bio identical progesterone and my hormonal balance is no longer male but not quite cis female either... I doubt I have much more P than a cis woman who isnt pregnant... I do know there is a lot more E though

I do see my doc and have labs done regularly and I doubt he would prescribe my P if he thought it was dangerous

[Lotus]

Eva,

Progesterone restores estrogen receptor sensitivity to its original state. Progesterone also protects against the proliferate side of breast cancer in estrogen receptors. It also down regulates DHT through 5 alpha reductase. It has no feminzing effect. Progesterone in the presence of estrogen up-regulates side branching, and estrogen promotes the elongation of breasts. But......an odd spin is that progesterone down regulates it's own receptor, crazy huh?.

Eva, I'm wondering if you took progesterone at night, (which progesterone also promotes restful sleep) and I mean daily. Only in a smaller dose....I'm just thinking to restore the fullness/projection issue. They way I see pharma E releases and it's spikes throughout the day it would make sense to get that restorative phase from progesterone daily, plus....GH (growth hormone) is promoted by restful sleep. I dunno, it's what I would do.

But I'd also tell you need EFA's (essential fatty acids) to reduce the inflammatory response. And the body's inner inflammatory markers effect everything from high blood pressure, diabetes, the release of hormones through blood proteins....other bad stuff too.

Omega 3's is what I mean ....chia seeds are great.....krill oil too.